Guest guest Posted May 7, 2001 Report Share Posted May 7, 2001 Mr. Chaithanya Balasubramaniam wrote - >>>I had been wondering for quite sometime regarding our all benevolent Lord acting as a charioteer to Arjuna, his dear disciple and also giving him the Viswaroopa Darsan along with the Bagavad Gita upadesam. It has been mentioned in many religious texts that our God is dearest to his best and most sincere devotees. Also it is a known fact Dharmaraja was the embodiment of all righteousness and good qualities outclassing everyone known till date. How is that he was not given this bagyam and Partha had the bliss to see the great form. This is a question of inquisitiveness and not to offend anyone.<<< The two tenets of the Vishishtadvaitha school are - God is egalitarian and merciful and the soul has the ability to act. Thus there are two forces acting in conjunction here - God's acceptance of the soul as an object of Hi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 sri: sri rukmini sametha sri parathasarathi parabrahmane namaha srimathe ramanujaya namaha Dear Mr.Prabhu Srinivas and Sri. Chaithanya Balasubramaniam, While the reply of Mr.Prabhu is not inappropriate, it does to serve to be a conclusive explanation of the bhagavaan krishnar's desicion to be the sarathy (charioteer) of partha (arjuna). Arujuna and Krishna are the re-incarnations of Nara-Naarayana, the sages. Here Naarayana, the sage is not the be confused with Sriman Naarayana, the Para-brahman. Naarayana is an avatara (re-incarnation) of Sriman Naarayana. Prior(much before) to the Kurukshetra Yuddham (Mahabharatha war), Naarayana performs upadesham to Nara. This continues in the yugas, where Naarayana (Krishna or Sarathy) performs Giitopadesham to Nara (Arjuna or Partha). An Analogy: Jaya and Vijaya as a result of a curse by the Sanath Kumaras, come down to earth as Hiryanakshan and Hiranyakashipu. Sriman Naarayana destroys them in Varaha and Narasimha Avatarams. The same jaya and vijaya come down again as; Ravana and Kumbha-karna Sriman Naarayana destroys them as Chakravarthi Thirumagan (Ram) Again as Kamsa and Shishupala here Parthasarathy(Krishnar) destroys them Hope this helps to get an understanding of the leelais of Sriman Naarayana. Regards, Malolan Cadambi __________ Get your free @.co.uk address at http://mail..co.uk or your free @.ie address at http://mail..ie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Dear Malolan: My understanding is that in Krishnavatara, the two were Kamsa and Dantavaktra and not Kamsa and Sisupala. Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy >Malolan Cadambi <mcadambi >vtgpln, bhakti-list >Re: Partha's Sarathy-Why?? >Tue, 8 May 2001 20:41:57 +0100 (BST) > >sri: >sri rukmini sametha sri parathasarathi parabrahmane namaha >srimathe ramanujaya namaha > >Dear Mr.Prabhu Srinivas and Sri. Chaithanya Balasubramaniam, > >While the reply of Mr.Prabhu is not inappropriate, it does to serve >to be a conclusive explanation of the bhagavaan krishnar's desicion >to be the sarathy (charioteer) of partha (arjuna). > >Arujuna and Krishna are the re-incarnations of Nara-Naarayana, the >sages. Here Naarayana, the sage is not the be confused with Sriman >Naarayana, the Para-brahman. Naarayana is an avatara (re-incarnation) >of Sriman Naarayana. > >Prior(much before) to the Kurukshetra Yuddham (Mahabharatha war), >Naarayana performs upadesham to Nara. This continues in the yugas, >where Naarayana (Krishna or Sarathy) performs Giitopadesham to Nara >(Arjuna or Partha). > >An Analogy: >Jaya and Vijaya as a result of a curse by the Sanath Kumaras, come >down to earth as > >Hiryanakshan and Hiranyakashipu. >Sriman Naarayana destroys them in Varaha and Narasimha Avatarams. > >The same jaya and vijaya come down again as; >Ravana and Kumbha-karna >Sriman Naarayana destroys them as Chakravarthi Thirumagan (Ram) > >Again as >Kamsa and Shishupala >here Parthasarathy(Krishnar) destroys them > >Hope this helps to get an understanding of the leelais of Sriman >Naarayana. > >Regards, > >Malolan Cadambi > > >__________ > >Get your free @.co.uk address at http://mail..co.uk >or your free @.ie address at http://mail..ie > >----------------------------- > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - >To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list >Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 "Ram Anbil" <Ramanbil Re: Partha's Sarathy-Why?? >>>Dear Malolan: My understanding is that in Krishnavatara, the two were Kamsa and Dantavaktra and not Kamsa and Sisupala.<<< neither. it was sisupala and dantavakra. regards. ___ Chat with your friends as soon as they come online. Get Rediff Bol at http://bol.rediff.com >From sgopan Thu Jun 07 08:54:03 2001 Return-Path: <sgopan Received: (qmail 17125 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2001 15:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 7 Jun 2001 15:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mk.) 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Message-ID: <9fmuk1+dffv (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> In-<20010509191110.461.qmail User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 406 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.253.192 "Malolan Cadambi" <mcadambi Dear Prabhu Srinivas: It is indeed Kamsa and Dantavakra, I have heard this in one of Srimad Azhagiya Singar's upanyasams. I had put Sisupala instead of Dantavakra in my previous mail. Sri U.Ve.Anbil Ramaswamy graciously corrected my mistake. Please quote from the ithihaasa about your claim. Best Wishes, Malolan Prabhu Srinivas wrote: > neither. it was sisupala and dantavakra. > > regards. > >From sada Thu Jun 07 08:55:30 2001 Return-Path: <sada Received: (qmail 16588 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2001 15:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10. with QMQP; 7 Jun 2001 15:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mk.) 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Guest guest Posted June 6, 2001 Report Share Posted June 6, 2001 Dear Prabhu Srinivas: It is indeed Kamsa and Dantavakra, I have heard this in one of Srimad Azhagiya Singar's upanyasams. I had put Sisupala instead of Dantavakra in my previous mail. Sri U.Ve.Anbil Ramaswamy graciously corrected my mistake. Please quote from the ithihaasa about your claim. Best Wishes, Malolan Prabhu Srinivas wrote: > neither. it was sisupala and dantavakra. > > regards. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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