Guest guest Posted July 3, 2001 Report Share Posted July 3, 2001 Sri: Sri ramanujaya namah: Sri Nigamahantha Desikaya namah: Sri Lakshmi naraSimha Paramatmane parabrahmane namah: The incident u have described is seen in many places. The prasadam of the lord can be partaken by anyone , irrespective of caste , creed or color and the lord does not distinguish a person by his looks or the way he is dressed. Deha Shuddhi is recommended even by the veda's , so its every person's duty to keep his body and clothes clean and neat. even the young child should start developing that habit right now. may be his clothes are torn , but even those he could keep it clean and neat. he could have washed his face , combed his hair. the basic things should be followed. This does not mean that i try to prove what the other bhagavatha did was right, probably he could have asked the child to have given the prasad directly to the child and asked him to go out and have, instead of sending off the child. As far as the qualities of a vaishnava is concerned, it is the pancha samskaras for more info on pancha samskaras refer to http://www.srivaishnava.org/customs/samash.htm#II. PANCHA SAMSKARAM Sri: Sridhar.S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2001 Report Share Posted July 3, 2001 Dear Sri Murali Krishna, I'm sure you are aware of this term called 'protocol'. If there's an evolved process, there's always bound to be some discipline, and our 'Vedic Culture' is something that evolved even before the mankind that we know of did. When it comes to offerings, Sriman Narayana and Piratti come first and then his entourage and then Rishi-Munis, Bhagavathas and lastly, common people like me. Let me give you an unbiased view here since I DO NOT belong to this ashramam(I belong to Sri Ahobila Matam). I'm sure the Bhagavatha with the Thiruman who asked the boy to wait outside did NOT REFUSE food to the little boy. It might have been a simple thought of "GHOSHTI FIRST" and others later. The little boy has had to only wait not starve. And I'm sure everyone of us here will have either been taught to wait till our turn comes or learnt from experiences to wait. And if you had any grouses you could have walked up to the Holy Feet of Srimadh Andavan and expressed yourself. Lastly, please think and act responsibly before you pull some religious institution's name in public. A lot of us need to develop this culture before we exhibit our immature-self. Always try your best to use "some", "somebody" etc before you come up with what is construed as an opinionated story and/or an impulse-triggered tale. A lot of us are distracted by such sporadic incidents though our purpose is to get involved in the bhagavadhanubhavam. But giving everything a thought backed by "supreme faith" helps! Have faith in the system, especially the Srivaishnava system. The Lord will feed all, and at the right times! Emberumaanar ThiruvadigaLe sharaNam! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2001 Report Share Posted July 3, 2001 Thanks for Sri Srikant Sadagopan's email reminding everyone of "protocol" and even network protocol as to what to put on the network. I personally feel that we should cultivate "respect" for acharyas. If anyone has some issues to take up, I am sure there are other ways - such as personal contacts to find the truth regarding controversial issues. I personally have found it difficult to swallow some things but it is best taken care of when we do "pari prashnena sevaya" ( by questioning the right people in the right format and service the masters). I have found myself at fault and regretted much later after causing a flood of controversies. Email should not be used as a " rumur information dump". One other thing to avoid is to flood email with news of " someone heard that so and so did so and so". Unless the person is involved deeply and knows every aspect of the issue that is the point of controversy, one will not be able to evaluate them properly. It is better to avoid half cooked ideas and issues to be sent to this network. I think since email is easy and people don't have to ask anyone's permission to express views freely, this network is used for grievances etc. I personally feel that value of email should be more focused on " scriptures and explanations", news of events pertaining to promote bhakti to Lord srimmanarayana and such issues. Adiyen Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2001 Report Share Posted July 4, 2001 Dear Sri Srikant Sadagopan: On behalf of Sri Ramanuja Mission of Srirangam Srimad Andavan Periaashramam, I appreciate and endorse your response to Sri Murali Krishna. Religious institutions serving Sri Ramanuja Siddhantham have unsurpassed scriptual authority, invaluable history, and demonstrated practice with regards to human values, social service, and justice. Sri Vaishnavism breaks all barriers in reaching out and serving humanity. When sensitive things are discussed in public, there is a potential to judge institutional intent based on isolated instances involving individuals like us. The integrity of Sri Murali Krishna and his intent is not being questioned or doubted in any way. His was an innocent posting. However, one should be extremely cautious to not allow any room for creating negative perceptions when discussing such matters in public. In the future, we should exercise due diligence when posting matters involving high public perception. Nadadur Mathavadasan Secretary, Sri Ramanuja Mission of Srirangam Srimath Andavan Periyaashramam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2001 Report Share Posted July 6, 2001 sreedhar shivkumar writes: > Deha Shuddhi is recommended even by the veda's , so > its every person's duty to keep his body and clothes > clean and neat. > even the young child should start developing that > habit right now. may be his clothes are torn , but > even those he could keep it clean and neat. > he could have washed his face , combed his hair. > the basic things should be followed. This strikes me as a bit insensitive. Where, pray tell, should a little homeless boy wandering the streets of Delhi wash himself and his clothes? Where should he get a comb to groom himself? We can't even imagine how difficult it must be to live under the circumstances this boy does. I don't think we are in the position of judging how and when he grooms himself, especially when he is trying to fill his stomach. aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2001 Report Share Posted July 6, 2001 Sri Nadadur Madhavan wrote: > Sri Vaishnavism breaks all barriers in reaching out and serving > humanity. I would like some elaboration on this statement. There is no doubt that the acharyas and scholars of Sri Vaishnavam do a tremendous service to the Vaidika and Sri Vaishnava community, by doing grantha-pravacana and administering sacraments and providing for temples, food and sambhAvana for Vaidikas, etc. But can this really be described as "breaking all barriers" and "reaching out"? In this day and age, are there many (or any) Sri Vaishnava organizations that actively reach out to all, irrespective of caste, gender, and race, and feed, clothe, or minister to the people's religious needs? As so many Christian groups do (with whatever motivation), does a single Sri Vaishnava group gather able-bodied youth and go do humanitarian service work in a Dalit (or any) downtrodden or impoverished village? This is what I consider "reaching out and serving". Why is it that our people do not do this indiscriminately? Or, perhaps they are doing it and I am unaware of it. If not, let us not exaggerate our contribution. aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2001 Report Share Posted July 6, 2001 Respected members: I would like to spew my thoughts on this topic. Logically, going back to Sri.Ramanuja and coming from him in every step from there, it is very true and obvious from the Great Acharyan's words that Social cause is one among the prime concerns in SriVaishnavism. If that not be the case, why should Sri.Ramanuja have overruled his Acharyan's words(breaking some set standards in the past by people), and tell the charama slokam to everyone after facing so much of difficulty in getting it from his Acharyan.(He got it only on his 18-th visit to Tirukottiyur) This issue of Social cause has been much stressed by our Acharyan himself, in order make sure that everyone attains Moksha, which gives the prime happiness.Thank very much, Sarve Janah Sukino Bavantu! Sri Ramanuja Dasan, Ramanan Rajagopalan iruppidam vaikundham vEnkatam * mAlirunchOlaiyennum poruppidam mAyanuk enbar nallOr * avai thannodum van thiruppidam mAyan irAmAnusan manathinRavan van thiruppidam * enRan idhayaththuLLE thanakkinpuRavE. ---- On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Mani Varadarajan (mani) wrote: > Sri Nadadur Madhavan wrote: > > Sri Vaishnavism breaks all barriers in reaching out and serving > > humanity. > > I would like some elaboration on this statement. > There is no doubt that the acharyas and scholars > of Sri Vaishnavam do a tremendous service to the > Vaidika and Sri Vaishnava community, by doing > grantha-pravacana and administering sacraments > and providing for temples, food and sambhAvana > for Vaidikas, etc. > > But can this really be described as "breaking all barriers" > and "reaching out"? In this day and age, are there many > (or any) Sri Vaishnava organizations that actively reach > out to all, irrespective of caste, gender, and > race, and feed, clothe, or minister to the people's > religious needs? As so many Christian groups do (with > whatever motivation), does a single Sri Vaishnava group > gather able-bodied youth and go do humanitarian > service work in a Dalit (or any) downtrodden or > impoverished village? > > This is what I consider "reaching out and serving". > Why is it that our people do not do this indiscriminately? > Or, perhaps they are doing it and I am unaware of it. > If not, let us not exaggerate our contribution. > > aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, > Mani > > > > > > ----------------------------- > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - > To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list > Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > ______________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2001 Report Share Posted July 6, 2001 Sriman Sadagopan Swamin please accept my countless pramanams to you. All, bhagavathas please do not take this as an insult. I recall very faintly that Adi Sankara's final test was an interlude with a person who was dressed in rags and a derelict. The test was if the foremost Sriman Narayana Bhaktha Adi Sankara would discriminate between ephemeral appearance and the immutable Jeeva inside and add to that Antaryami Sriman Narayana HIMSELF. Only when Adi Sankara respected this person was HIS knowledge deemed complete. The lesson was that no one may be judged by appearance alone. I write software and "find a remedy not a fault" is one of my favorite quotations. I do not know who said this. We can apply this here as well. Going forward how can this incident be prevented. Why not have the following schemes: (0) for those who want to satiate their physical hunger only, have a location where they get food and on a strictly "take out" mode. Such a location could be on the periphery. (2) for those who want more than "food" (2a) for those who are already observing "saucam" the usual place where people eat (2b) for those who are inclined to get cleansed and get indoctrinated into God Principle (not even Sriman Narayana), provide a bathing place. This way water and cleaning resource will not go waste on TYPE (0). I am not sure if this is a practical or feasible solution. This certainly happens in Tirumala, where HE observably rules and is no longer elusive or subtle. Om Namo Narayana --- Mani Varadarajan <mani wrote: > sreedhar shivkumar writes: > > Deha Shuddhi is recommended even by the veda's , > so > > its every person's duty to keep his body and > clothes > > clean and neat. > > even the young child should start developing that > > habit right now. may be his clothes are torn , but > > even those he could keep it clean and neat. > > he could have washed his face , combed his hair. > > the basic things should be followed. > > This strikes me as a bit insensitive. Where, pray > tell, > should a little homeless boy wandering the streets > of Delhi > wash himself and his clothes? Where should he get a > comb > to groom himself? We can't even imagine how > difficult it > must be to live under the circumstances this boy > does. > I don't think we are in the position of judging how > and > when he grooms himself, especially when he is trying > to > fill his stomach. > > aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, > Mani > > > ----------------------------- > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - > To Post a message, send it to: > bhakti-list > Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Get personalized email addresses from Mail http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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