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This mail is to record my views in response to the mail sent by TA venkatesh

regarding the quote "agniravamo devatanam vishnu: parama:". A better

explanation will be as :

 

agni is the nearest of the devatA-s to us, and vishNu is the farthest

(taittirIya samhitA 5.5.1).

 

The importance of agni in the vedas can be understood from the number of

rituals which are done wherein agni serves as the communicator between the

human and the devatas. This includes the marriage of the perumal with thayar

in the temples in the presence of Agni.

 

The "CHAMAKAM" prasnam in TaittirIya Samhita, which is a prayer requesting

for many things for us, starts with an invocation to Agni & vishnu. This

term "Agnavishnu" is quite often used in the vedas.

 

Also, of all the devatas agni is the Pratyaksha one, rest fall under the

category of Paroksha.

 

When performing a ritual, we pour the ghee into the fire so that it can

reach other devatas. A basic question arises here as to how the small amount

of ghee is sufficient for the devatas. Herein, comes the might of agni who

transforms it into the amount required by the devatas. This can be

substantiated by the fact that the earth provides a huge amount of grain

when a grain is sown in it. Prithvi evolved from appu which inturn evolved

from Agni. Thus when earth can convert one into many, the agni also does the

same thing for the devatas.

 

Though PUNARAADHEYAM needs to be done for Agni on a periodic basis, it is HE

who helps us to establish links with other devatas.

 

The vedas by themselves doesn't make any decisions on the superiority of one

devata over the other. The role of each devata and the way of approaching

them are well defined. There were also mention about Devasura wars wherein

the devatas were defeated by asuras and viceversa.

 

The role of Agni can never be undermined and it was very much hurting to

read such a misinterpretaion of texts.

 

Venkatakrishnan.

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Srimathe Ramanujaya namaha

 

Dear Sri Venkatakrishnan,

 

What I wrote is what I read from some of the poorvAchArya vyAkhyAnams

as quoted by Sri Puttur Krishnaswamy Iyengar in his books like 1)

Vishnuchitta vijayam, 2) Sankararum VaiNavamum etc.,

 

Please note that while it says that Agni is the lowest, it does not

impart any disregards to the role of Agni in our SampradhAyam.

 

But what made our poorvAchAryAs to comment like this? Adiyen does not

know really. However, you opened that question for me and I will try

and find out the reason. However, there are many scholars in this

list who can throw light as to why such a vyAkhyAnam is made.

 

However I beg to differ from your views that vEdAs does not talk

about the supremacy of any devata. The same verse says that " paramO

vishNu". What is the meaning of the word "paramO"? Does it mean

farthest. No. It clearly conveys the meaning that vishNu is the para

brahman (Supreme Being). Naturally the opposite word to paramO is

avamO. So the interpretation is right. But what made our

poorvAchAryAs to interpret in such way is the question. I have quoted

some verses in my postings from vEdAs which clearly talks about the

supremacy of VishNu. Sri Vijayaraghavan Bhashyam had also quoted may

verses from the vEdAs which uphold the supremacy of VishNu. Then how

can it be considered that the vEdAs do not talk about superiority of

any dEvata.

 

Also your interpretation tries to mislead. What is the scale in which

the nearest or the farthest is measured. Adiyen does not agree to the

fact that Vishnu is the farthest. Just go thro our beloved Azhwars

divya prabhandams for more references. 1) patthudai adiyavarkku

eLiyavan...., 2) engum uLan kaNNan.... and many more. These are only

a very little examples. That Sriman Narayanan is every pervading and

omnipresent was very clearly proved by Sri Prahaladha and that is the

no. 2 example written above. So how can he be the farthest.

 

Finally, whose interpretation is what you wrote ( Agni is the nearest

and Vishnu is the farthest).

 

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh

 

 

 

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Namaskaaram.

 

That any particular Deva/Devata is supreme appears in many

places in the Samhita mantras for many Devas/Devataas.

Typically, a Rik devoted to a Deva/Devataa declares THAT

Deva/Devataa as supreme. Ancient Nyaaya shaastrakaaras have

justified this by invoking "nahinindaa nyaaya" - that One is

Supreme does not mean a degradation of any other. When a

devotee or aspirant sees Truth through his/her chosen

naama-roopa, he/she is free to praise and surrender to That

chosen One. This is buttressed by the well-quoted Rik of

meaning something like: Sat (the fundamental unmanifest

substratum) is One, the knowers of the Vedas speak (of It)

as agni, yamam, maatarishwaan...

 

This in no way is like the Semitic tradition of condemning

anything other than the chosen one.

 

BhavadIyaH,

-Shambhu

 

vinjamoorvenkat wrote:

>

> Srimathe Ramanujaya namaha

>

> Dear Sri Venkatakrishnan,

>

> What I wrote is what I read from some of the poorvAchArya vyAkhyAnams

> as quoted by Sri Puttur Krishnaswamy Iyengar in his books like 1)

> Vishnuchitta vijayam, 2) Sankararum VaiNavamum etc.,

>

> Please note that while it says that Agni is the lowest, it does not

> impart any disregards to the role of Agni in our SampradhAyam.

>

> But what made our poorvAchAryAs to comment like this? Adiyen does not

> know really. However, you opened that question for me and I will try

> and find out the reason. However, there are many scholars in this

> list who can throw light as to why such a vyAkhyAnam is made.

>

> However I beg to differ from your views that vEdAs does not talk

> about the supremacy of any devata. The same verse says that " paramO

> vishNu". What is the meaning of the word "paramO"? Does it mean

> farthest. No. It clearly conveys the meaning that vishNu is the para

> brahman (Supreme Being). Naturally the opposite word to paramO is

> avamO. So the interpretation is right. But what made our

> poorvAchAryAs to interpret in such way is the question. I have quoted

> some verses in my postings from vEdAs which clearly talks about the

> supremacy of VishNu. Sri Vijayaraghavan Bhashyam had also quoted may

> verses from the vEdAs which uphold the supremacy of VishNu. Then how

> can it be considered that the vEdAs do not talk about superiority of

> any dEvata.

>

> Also your interpretation tries to mislead. What is the scale in which

> the nearest or the farthest is measured. Adiyen does not agree to the

> fact that Vishnu is the farthest. Just go thro our beloved Azhwars

> divya prabhandams for more references. 1) patthudai adiyavarkku

> eLiyavan...., 2) engum uLan kaNNan.... and many more. These are only

> a very little examples. That Sriman Narayanan is every pervading and

> omnipresent was very clearly proved by Sri Prahaladha and that is the

> no. 2 example written above. So how can he be the farthest.

>

> Finally, whose interpretation is what you wrote ( Agni is the nearest

> and Vishnu is the farthest).

>

> adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

> Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh

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