Tirukulathor and ANthanNar

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

 

Dear Bala,

 

While initiating Thirumantram to the Sri Vaishnavas, the Acharyas of

Tenkalai sampradayam initiate with Pranavam to all irrespective of Gender,

Caste.

The Acharyas of Vadakalai samprayadam, Initiate Thriumantram to Women and

Thirukulathars without Pranavam.

There are several arugumets and counter arguments as to how you split the

Ashtakshara Mahamantram.(While Tenkalai - With Pranavam and Vadakalai

without Pranavam)

 

Acharyas of Vadakalai Sampradayam believe that Pranavam should not be

intiated to Non Vaidekas like Women /Others who need not follow Vaideeka

Rituals like Aupasanam etc.

 

Regards

 

KM Narayanan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tirukulathor and ANthanNar

 

 

I read in a book that one of the differences between the Thenkalai and

Vadakalai is in the treatment of Tirukulathor by ANthaNar.

 

I request more information on this.

 

adiyen Ramanuja dasan

 

D Bala sundaram

 

 

 

 

 

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D Bala Sundaram writes:

> I read in a book that one of the differences between the

> Thenkalai and Vadakalai is in the treatment of Tirukulathor by

> ANthaNar.

 

Dear Sri Balasundaram,

 

To be frank, the tirukulattAr, or Dalits, to use the modern

term, are unfortunately treated extremely poorly by both groups.

Old social habits still prevail. There is little difference in this

regard between the two sects. Sri K.M. Narayanan has pointed

out a ritualistic difference in the mantra-upadeSa, but this

is applicable to all people who are not brahmin males, not just

tirukkulattAr, and really does not indicate different treatment,

practically speaking.

 

We may recall how two great Sri Vaishnava Dalits of the past were

treated by our predecessors. Sri Maraneri Nambi was treated by

Sri Yamunacharya and Sri Periya Nambi with the utmost

respect. Sri Periya Nambi himself performed the funeral rites

for Sri Maraneri Nambi, including the brahma-medha, a ritual

traditionally reserved for brahmins. Sri Vilanjolai Pillai

was a principle disciple of Sri Pillai Lokacharya and transmitted

many esoteric doctrines (rahasyArtha) to Sri Tiruvaymozhi Pillai,

the acharya of Sri Manavaala Maamunigal.

 

Mani

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Dear Baghavadas

>To be frank, the tirukulattAr, or Dalits, to use the modern

> term, are unfortunately treated extremely poorly by both groups.

> Old social habits still prevail

I do agree by What Sri Mani has expressed. His quoting is so fitting and

need no further explanation. In the same context I am interested in knowing

few more reasons, in normal Sevakalam Ghosti why "the so called non

Brahmins" have not been included . I do agree that this is Ok for those who

have not had Samashrayanam. But for Srivaishnavas after having the

Samashrayanam they should have every right to join the Prabhanda Ghosti if

not Veda Ghosti(Which may have lot of other restrictions).

This is applicable for both Kalais. Adiyen would request the Sri Vaishnavas

to correct me if I am wrong.

 

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

 

Gunaseelan Venkatachary

Ph:408 588 6672

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

 

Dear Mani, Bala

 

Sri.Mani has pointed out an interesting anecdote on Priya Nambi(Also

called as Prankusa Dasar) He was born in 997-98 AD and

was one of the five Acharyas of Sri Ramanuja.

 

Swami Desikan Salutes him in Yahiraja Sapthathi for saving our

Sampradayam by intiating Swami Emberumanar to Sri Vasihanva fold by

intiating Pancha Samskarams to him.

 

Before his death, Sri.Maraner Nambi , one of the disciples of Swami

Alanvadar requested Periya Nambi that his funeral rites should not be

carried out by his non Vaishnava relatives and he should take

responsibility for doing them.

 

Sri Priya Nambi, had great respects to Sri Maraner Nambi and performed

funeral rites to him . Many Brahmins questioned this action and Sri

Periya nambi was ignored in all the temple activities.

 

While this was on, one day ,Sri Ramanuja asked Nambi in private what made

him to do Brahma Meda to Sri Maraner Nambi, Nambi said that,

 

 

1. King Yudishtra performed rites to a lowly born Vidura

2. Sri Rama performed rites to Jadayu.

 

And he (Peria Nambi) was neither bigger than Sri Rama or King Yudishtra

nor Marener nambi was any way lower to Jadayu or Vidura.

Maraner nambi was in fact one of the learned sishyas of Swami Alavandar

and he is all right doing these rites. Nambi was in fact epitome of

humility.

 

 

A similar sentiment is echoed in Sri Vachana Bhushanam. It is said that

Bhagavata Abhacharam(Sins towards Bhagavatas) are many. Out of them the

most deadlier sin is differentiating one Sri Vasihan to other according to

their birth.

 

 

Sri Prankusa Dasa Nama:

Regards

KM Narayanan

 

 

 

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