Guest guest Posted August 13, 2001 Report Share Posted August 13, 2001 Dear Friends, Namaskaram Could anyone tell me the difference between Janmashtami and Krishna Jayanthi. My parents told me they will be celebrating Krishna's Punya Janam on 11th September, but most of India celebrated on 12th August. Why such differences in Hindu Calender itself?? It also baffles me why there such a rift between Vadagali and Thangalai, even today. For example in Thiruallikeni Parthasarathy Temple, it seems quite serious, and most of time it is out of ego and its meaningless. Namaskaram Kalathur Raman Swathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 adiyEn prstrates to all ramaanusanadiyArs. More than thiruvallikkeni, I think the hub of rift/animosity and overt display of infight between vadakalai and thenkalai is seen in the sathyavratha Kshetra of Kanchi!! Going thru the annals of recent history, we find one elephant has been attrociously killed as a result of this mean overtures. Unfortunately lot of persons belonging to famalies of established Acharya purusha parampara, but with no knowledge of scriptures or practices have been a main reason for such tragedy. Still, it is a pity that most of the successors of such Acharya parampara have deviated from good practices of their ancestors and dilute the respect one use to claim from the society for such great Acharyas. This is only to pour out my anguish. I am from Kanchpuram but now living out of Kanchi for the past 15 years. It is now not the good old town where I use to live, in the midst of scholars who preach and practice : "jnAnan anuttAnam ivai nandragavE udayarAna" srivaishnava society. It causes immense pain to the heart. adiyEn rAmAnusa dAsan --- alambda <alambda wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Namaskaram > > Could anyone tell me the difference between > Janmashtami and Krishna > Jayanthi. My parents told me they will be > celebrating Krishna's Punya Janam > on 11th September, but most of India celebrated on > 12th August. > > Why such differences in Hindu Calender itself?? > > It also baffles me why there such a rift between > Vadagali and Thangalai, > even today. For example in Thiruallikeni > Parthasarathy Temple, it seems > quite serious, and most of time it is out of ego and > its meaningless. > > Namaskaram > > Kalathur Raman Swathi > > > > > > > ----------------------------- > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - > To Post a message, send it to: > bhakti-list > Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2001 Report Share Posted August 17, 2001 Anantha pranamams to all. Dear Sri Ravindran swamin, I am also as perplexed as anybody could be regarding the origin of the Kalai differences. Some light into that as I have gathered are shared here. This will not give a clear conclution instead would pool in more querries!!! 1. Once Sriman U Ve Kanchi MahAswAmin P B AnnagarAchArya in a upanyasam on "DvayArtham" commented that SwAmi rAmAnuja did not compose a book on rhasyatrayam. If that had been done, this sampradAya bhEdam would not have arisen at all, Which is very true.Though as rAmAnuja sampradAya srivaishnavAs, all of us treat the rahasyatrayam as the most revered mantrOpadEsam, there is prominent difference in the vEdantic interpretation of Dvayam. 2. Bhattar's ashtaslOki seems to be the first book, but it is very concise and leaves room for interpretation in both the ways of vadakalai as well as thenkalai. 3. Another remarkable aspect is the absence of any reference to "another kalai" or " the other kalai" or "avargal" in any of the works / literature till about 300 years or even later. This was pointed out by some bhAgavatha of the bhakthi groups in a recent mail. Hence the difference has been spoken only in the recent past. 4. It is also said that the panchasamskarAra has come to practice only later since none of the epics like rAmAyana or BhAratha mention of this. Also the VaikAnasa Agama is older and the vaikAnasa Vaishnavas do not go thru panchasamskAra. This may lead to a view that VaikAnasa parampara is ancient and the oldest. Incidently we find the VaikAnasa vaishnavas sport Vadakalai thiruman. Can ths lead to a conclusion that vadakalai is the oldest? Leaving all these aside, it is most important that we all live as srivaishnava and live in perfect amity because for all of us nithya kaikarya prApti is the ultimate desire and we all seek the same thru an Acharyan. The very first few soothras of mumukshuppadi in the thirumantraprakaranam tells us these, "chEtanargal thangalaiyum Iswaranayum marandu, Iswara kainkaryathai iZhandu, izhandom endra izhavu indrikke....." and "mantrattilum, mantrtthukkulIdAna vasthuvilum...." rAmAnujAya namaha. adiyEn dAsAnudAsan Suderson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2001 Report Share Posted August 17, 2001 Thanx swAmin. As you say, it is high time we had brushed aside the differences and live as rAmAnujadAsa goshti. The great divya kshEtra of mElkote is an excellent example of peaceful coexistence of the ubhaya kalais. dAsanudAsan Suderson --- pbsampathkumar wrote: > Dear bhaktas, > > I do agree with Sri Suderson Swamy's opinion about > the rift going on > in Kanchipuram. But I don't agree on one point that > the elephant has > been killed in view of this. It is a baseless charge > since I happened > to be there in Kanchipuram when the elephant was > alive. This > difference of opinion have not been started now. > This had been there > for quite a long time when great scholars from both > sects were alive. > > Despite the quarrels among the ubayakalayars, to the > best of my > knowledge I have never find a divyadesam so far in > which emperuman > hears Divya Prabandam and Vedam to this extent. The > Vacha Kainkaryam > peformed by both kalayars without any monetary > benefits is really > appreciable. Definitely we need to think in terms of > improving the > sampradayam and finding out the solution to put a > fullstop for the > rift/quarrels instead of talking ill of the persons > and feeling bad > out the same. Devadhirajan Himself bears this with > His Sowlabyam, > then why should we need to worry about it. Excuse me > if I am wrong > and feel free to correct me. > > adiyen srIvaishnava dAsan > SampathkumAr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2001 Report Share Posted August 20, 2001 Sri Rama Jayam. Namaskarams to all. In Sri VaikAnasa agama followers, some wear vadakalai and some wear thenkalai thirumans, and within sect there is no differences in following Krishna jayanthi or other such festivals. Though panchasamskAram is not followed, 'Garbha samAsrayanam' is done during 'seemandham'(ceremony done at the 8th or 9th month of pregnancy while expecting the first baby). Within Sri VaikAnasa sect there is virtually no differences between vadakalai and thenkalai sampradayam. The above is to my knowledge, pl feel free to correct me. adiyen, Anand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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