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Dear Friends,

 

Namaskaram

 

Could anyone tell me the difference between Janmashtami and Krishna

Jayanthi. My parents told me they will be celebrating Krishna's Punya Janam

on 11th September, but most of India celebrated on 12th August.

 

Why such differences in Hindu Calender itself??

 

It also baffles me why there such a rift between Vadagali and Thangalai,

even today. For example in Thiruallikeni Parthasarathy Temple, it seems

quite serious, and most of time it is out of ego and its meaningless.

 

Namaskaram

 

Kalathur Raman Swathi

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adiyEn prstrates to all ramaanusanadiyArs.

More than thiruvallikkeni, I think the hub of

rift/animosity and overt display of infight between

vadakalai and thenkalai is seen in the sathyavratha

Kshetra of Kanchi!! Going thru the annals of recent

history, we find one elephant has been attrociously

killed as a result of this mean overtures.

Unfortunately lot of persons belonging to famalies of

established Acharya purusha parampara, but with no

knowledge of scriptures or practices have been a main

reason for such tragedy. Still, it is a pity that most

of the successors of such Acharya parampara have

deviated from good practices of their ancestors and

dilute the respect one use to claim from the society

for such great Acharyas.

This is only to pour out my anguish. I am from

Kanchpuram but now living out of Kanchi for the past

15 years. It is now not the good old town where I use

to live, in the midst of scholars who preach and

practice : "jnAnan anuttAnam ivai nandragavE

udayarAna" srivaishnava society.

It causes immense pain to the heart.

adiyEn

rAmAnusa dAsan

--- alambda <alambda wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> Namaskaram

>

> Could anyone tell me the difference between

> Janmashtami and Krishna

> Jayanthi. My parents told me they will be

> celebrating Krishna's Punya Janam

> on 11th September, but most of India celebrated on

> 12th August.

>

> Why such differences in Hindu Calender itself??

>

> It also baffles me why there such a rift between

> Vadagali and Thangalai,

> even today. For example in Thiruallikeni

> Parthasarathy Temple, it seems

> quite serious, and most of time it is out of ego and

> its meaningless.

>

> Namaskaram

>

> Kalathur Raman Swathi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Anantha pranamams to all.

Dear Sri Ravindran swamin,

I am also as perplexed as anybody could be regarding

the origin of the Kalai differences. Some light into

that as I have gathered are shared here. This will not

give a clear conclution instead would pool in more

querries!!!

1. Once Sriman U Ve Kanchi MahAswAmin P B

AnnagarAchArya in a upanyasam on "DvayArtham"

commented that SwAmi rAmAnuja did not compose a book

on rhasyatrayam. If that had been done, this

sampradAya bhEdam would not have arisen at all, Which

is very true.Though as rAmAnuja sampradAya

srivaishnavAs, all of us treat the rahasyatrayam as

the most revered mantrOpadEsam, there is prominent

difference in the vEdantic interpretation of Dvayam.

2. Bhattar's ashtaslOki seems to be the first book,

but it is very concise and leaves room for

interpretation in both the ways of vadakalai as well

as thenkalai.

3. Another remarkable aspect is the absence of any

reference to "another kalai" or " the other kalai" or

"avargal" in any of the works / literature till about

300 years or even later. This was pointed out by some

bhAgavatha of the bhakthi groups in a recent mail.

Hence the difference has been spoken only in the

recent past.

4. It is also said that the panchasamskarAra has come

to practice only later since none of the epics like

rAmAyana or BhAratha mention of this. Also the

VaikAnasa Agama is older and the vaikAnasa Vaishnavas

do not go thru panchasamskAra. This may lead to a view

that VaikAnasa parampara is ancient and the oldest.

Incidently we find the VaikAnasa vaishnavas sport

Vadakalai thiruman. Can ths lead to a conclusion that

vadakalai is the oldest?

 

Leaving all these aside, it is most important that we

all live as srivaishnava and live in perfect amity

because for all of us nithya kaikarya prApti is the

ultimate desire and we all seek the same thru an

Acharyan. The very first few soothras of mumukshuppadi

in the thirumantraprakaranam tells us these,

"chEtanargal thangalaiyum Iswaranayum marandu, Iswara

kainkaryathai iZhandu, izhandom endra izhavu

indrikke....." and "mantrattilum, mantrtthukkulIdAna

vasthuvilum...."

rAmAnujAya namaha.

adiyEn

dAsAnudAsan

Suderson

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Thanx swAmin. As you say, it is high time we had

brushed aside the differences and live as rAmAnujadAsa

goshti.

The great divya kshEtra of mElkote is an excellent

example of peaceful coexistence of the ubhaya kalais.

dAsanudAsan

Suderson

--- pbsampathkumar wrote:

> Dear bhaktas,

>

> I do agree with Sri Suderson Swamy's opinion about

> the rift going on

> in Kanchipuram. But I don't agree on one point that

> the elephant has

> been killed in view of this. It is a baseless charge

> since I happened

> to be there in Kanchipuram when the elephant was

> alive. This

> difference of opinion have not been started now.

> This had been there

> for quite a long time when great scholars from both

> sects were alive.

>

> Despite the quarrels among the ubayakalayars, to the

> best of my

> knowledge I have never find a divyadesam so far in

> which emperuman

> hears Divya Prabandam and Vedam to this extent. The

> Vacha Kainkaryam

> peformed by both kalayars without any monetary

> benefits is really

> appreciable. Definitely we need to think in terms of

> improving the

> sampradayam and finding out the solution to put a

> fullstop for the

> rift/quarrels instead of talking ill of the persons

> and feeling bad

> out the same. Devadhirajan Himself bears this with

> His Sowlabyam,

> then why should we need to worry about it. Excuse me

> if I am wrong

> and feel free to correct me.

>

> adiyen srIvaishnava dAsan

> SampathkumAr

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Sri Rama Jayam.

Namaskarams to all.

 

In Sri VaikAnasa agama followers, some wear vadakalai

and some wear thenkalai thirumans, and within sect

there is no differences in following Krishna jayanthi

or other such festivals. Though panchasamskAram is not

followed, 'Garbha samAsrayanam' is done during

'seemandham'(ceremony done at the 8th or 9th month of

pregnancy while expecting the first baby).

Within Sri VaikAnasa sect there is virtually no

differences between vadakalai and thenkalai

sampradayam.

 

The above is to my knowledge, pl feel free to correct

me.

 

adiyen,

Anand.

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