Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 Dear Bakthas I got this from chennaionline.com. I was shocked to see a picture of Lord Vinayaka posed as Lord Krishna with flute and cow. I suggest that Sri Vaishnava Bhaktas should object this and send thier comments. The Web site address is http://www.chennaionline.com. Adiyan Ramesh Narasimhan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2001 Report Share Posted August 24, 2001 Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha ! Srila Prabhupad ki jai ! HH Narayana Yathindram saranam prapadye ! Dear Shriman Ramesh Narasimhan, Please accept my dandavats ! I share your concern in this regard. For all that we boast of India being spiritual country, "anartha"s like this do keep happening every now and then ......Only, the other day I was coming across "Kargil Vinayagar" ..vinayaga posed atop a canon. Siva Parvathhi Vinayagar...new concepts are all coming dime a dozen @ the drop of hat. But, this miscreant attitude toward Lord Krishna is surely to be severely condemned. I join you in requesting all Vaishnavas to object to such an offense. An Insignificant Soul, Srivathsan. --- Ramesh Narasimhan <sneha11 wrote: > Dear Bakthas > > I got this from chennaionline.com. I was shocked to > see a picture of Lord Vinayaka posed as Lord Krishna > with flute and cow. I suggest that Sri Vaishnava > Bhaktas should object this and send thier comments. > The Web site address is > http://www.chennaionline.com. > > Adiyan > > Ramesh Narasimhan Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2001 Report Share Posted August 25, 2001 Sri: Dear BhAgavathAs, AdiyEn's 2 cents' worth on this topic. It would be out of pure enthusiasm and ignorance of the nature of God (all other than Sriyafpati Sriman NArAyana is 'god'), that this would have happened. As a good Sri Vaishnava one should thank our AchAryas, our parents and the Divya Dhampatis for having kept us out of this 'ganam' and its 'pati'. Such incidents abound in this world and will consume our everything if we spend our life time on this. So these are best ignored. There are problems nearer home. For starters, are you aware of the treatment meted out to our AchArya SArvabhowman Vishnu GhantAvatAram VenkatanAthan Swami NigamAntha MahA DEsikan? A few so called 'vaishnavas' and 'iyengars' (here one is not sure what five angams we refer to!), wear their yangjyopavItam around their ear (like when one visits a souchAlay) when accepting SatAri and ThIrtam at SwAmi's Sannidhi at the holiest of holy places for a Sri Vaishnavan i.e, SriRangam. Now how will you condemn this? The best method would be to pray to the Divya Dhampati at Srirangam to change the outlook of these souls. When correcting self (AdiyEn that is) is in itself a life time job and continues till rigor mortis sets in, where is the time for all these distractions. On a lighter note: AdiyEN would even salute this sculpter who showed that god VinAyaka (jeevan) & its idol (achEtana) is pervaded by Vishnu (ParamAtman Sriman NArAyana). Please don't miscontrue that AdiyEn s to the theory that implores people to worship any and every god (read jeevan) because it is pervaded by Vishnu or theories that deviate from the way recommended by AlwArs and AchArya and the pratamAcharyan or propounded by individualistic ideas that 'sound' very logical DAsan VedAntam SrinivAsarAghavan Ayyangar ************************************************************************ Purpose of life is transform your ability to experience living, so that the situation you have been 'trying to change' or have been 'putting up with' will clear in the process of life itself ) ----Original Message Follows---- alwarraj alwar <srivathsan_v_1999 Ramesh Narasimhan <sneha11, bhakti-list Re: Vinayaka Posed as Lord Krishna Fri, 24 Aug 2001 06:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha ! Srila Prabhupad ki jai ! HH Narayana Yathindram saranam prapadye ! Dear Shriman Ramesh Narasimhan, Please accept my dandavats ! I share your concern in this regard. For all that we boast of India being spiritual country, "anartha"s like this do keep happening every now and then ......Only, the other day I was coming across "Kargil Vinayagar" ..vinayaga posed atop a canon. Siva Parvathhi Vinayagar...new concepts are all coming dime a dozen @ the drop of hat. But, this miscreant attitude toward Lord Krishna is surely to be severely condemned. I join you in requesting all Vaishnavas to object to such an offense. An Insignificant Soul, Srivathsan. --- Ramesh Narasimhan <sneha11 wrote: > Dear Bakthas > > I got this from chennaionline.com. I was shocked to > see a picture of Lord Vinayaka posed as Lord Krishna > with flute and cow. I suggest that Sri Vaishnava > Bhaktas should object this and send thier comments. > The Web site address is > http://www.chennaionline.com. > > Adiyan > > Ramesh Narasimhan Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ ----------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of is subject to _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2001 Report Share Posted August 25, 2001 Hari Hari, Adiyen would like to share personal opinion in this regard. Before sharing my opinion, let me tell that I did not get the chance to see VINAYAKAR in the new way at http://www.chennaionline.com, Probably it was a VINAKAYA CHATURTHI special, removed later. Adiyen feels, we should not be considering these types of things seriously. Adiyen feels, there is nothing wrong, if a VINAYAKA BHAKTAN enjoys VINAYAKAR in that vesha-bhushanam. We can also take it in the sense of enjoyment by feeling "VINAYAKAR has also liked the vesha-bhusham of our beloved KANNAN and has persuaded Parvati ammeyaar to dress him like that". Over and above, let us oppose that if our dear KANNAN is opposing VINAYAKAR coming in his vesha-bhushanam. Adiyen would apologise if anyone's sentiments have been hurt by this comment. Hari Hari --- alwarraj alwar <srivathsan_v_1999 wrote: > Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha ! > Srila Prabhupad ki jai ! > HH Narayana Yathindram saranam prapadye ! > > Dear Shriman Ramesh Narasimhan, > > Please accept my dandavats ! > > I share your concern in this regard. For all that we > boast of India being spiritual country, "anartha"s > like this do keep happening every now and then > .....Only, the other day I was coming across > "Kargil > Vinayagar" ..vinayaga posed atop a canon. Siva > Parvathhi Vinayagar...new concepts are all coming > dime > a dozen @ the drop of hat. > > But, this miscreant attitude toward Lord Krishna is > surely to be severely condemned. > > I join you in requesting all Vaishnavas to object to > such an offense. > > An Insignificant Soul, > Srivathsan. > > > --- Ramesh Narasimhan <sneha11 wrote: > > Dear Bakthas > > > > I got this from chennaionline.com. I was shocked > to > > see a picture of Lord Vinayaka posed as Lord > Krishna > > with flute and cow. I suggest that Sri Vaishnava > > Bhaktas should object this and send thier > comments. > > The Web site address is > > http://www.chennaionline.com. > > > > Adiyan > > > > Ramesh Narasimhan > > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Messenger > http://phonecard./ > > ----------------------------- > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - > To Post a message, send it to: > bhakti-list > Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2001 Report Share Posted August 27, 2001 VedAntam S. Ayyangar writes: > A few so called 'vaishnavas' and 'iyengars' (here one is not > sure what five angams we refer to!), wear their yangjyopavItam > around their ear (like when one visits a souchAlay) when > accepting SatAri and ThIrtam at SwAmi [Desika]'s Sannidhi at > the holiest of holy places for a Sri Vaishnavan i.e, SriRangam. I seriously doubt that this is true. It sounds like one of those ugly, farfetched rumors that are propagated by extremists on either side of the Sri Vaishnava schism. I have heard numerous such falsities since I have been privileged to manage this List, and in every instance each has been proven to be pure, unsubstantiated rumor. For one, do you think the archakar swAmi at Desikan Sannidhi would even consider giving tIrtham or SaThAri to someone who showed such outward signs of disrespect? Please -- if you hear a rumor, don't believe it unless it is verified either first-hand or by *unbiased*, authoritative sources. At the very least, do not propagate such nonsense on this list. Thanks, Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2001 Report Share Posted August 27, 2001 Srimathe Ramanujaya namaha. Well, I was going to right about this in the list, but I saw Shri Mani's mail, which was exactly the same I would have written. This is only a rumour. I don't want to repeat the logical question that Mani asked, instead, if this were to be true, and being practised even today, why is there no objection to this from anybody. Please note such kind of false propaganda will only lead to a split in the otherwise cohesive list where everybody enjoy the "bhaktAmrutham". Finally, I humbly request, Sri T.S. Sundararajan swamy and Sri Krishmachariar swamy of "Sri Vaishnava Sri" fame, the Srirangam sthalathArs, to verify and inform all of us about what was written by Sri Vedantham. Nevertheless, if this is true, this dastardly act is to be severely condemned by all irrespective of the kalai bedham and see to that it does not take place again. AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh ---- Begin Original Message ---- Mani Varadarajan <mani Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:31:34 -0700 vayyangar CC: bhakti-list Re: Vinayaka Posed as Lord Krishna VedAntam S. Ayyangar writes: > A few so called 'vaishnavas' and 'iyengars' (here one is not > sure what five angams we refer to!), wear their yangjyopavItam > around their ear (like when one visits a souchAlay) when > accepting SatAri and ThIrtam at SwAmi [Desika]'s Sannidhi at > the holiest of holy places for a Sri Vaishnavan i.e, SriRangam. I seriously doubt that this is true. It sounds like one of those ugly, farfetched rumors that are propagated by extremists on either side of the Sri Vaishnava schism. I have heard numerous such falsities since I have been privileged to manage this List, and in every instance each has been proven to be pure, unsubstantiated rumor. For one, do you think the archakar swAmi at Desikan Sannidhi would even consider giving tIrtham or SaThAri to someone who showed such outward signs of disrespect? Please -- if you hear a rumor, don't believe it unless it is verified either first-hand or by *unbiased*, authoritative sources. At the very least, do not propagate such nonsense on this list. Thanks, Mani ----------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of is subject to ---- End Original Message ---- Enjoy being an Indyan at http://www.indya.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2001 Report Share Posted August 27, 2001 Sri: Dear Sri Venkat SwAmin & Srinath SwAmin, AdiyEn also would wish that this information is false and some souls would not deviate from the 'path'. AdiyEn was equally pained by what AdiyEn had heard. Please rest assured that AdiyEN's source of information had been a well meaning SAttvic Sri Vaishnava and not some 'unauthentic' and 'unbiased' source as Sri Mani would have us believe. Sri. Mani does not know the source and may not be in a postion to judge therefore. So his words that AdiyEn's words are "nonsense being propogated in Bhakti list" (Being a moderator Sri Mani could have checked my background before calling this writeup a nonsense! Being a moderator adiyEn expected a more moderate language than this!), is being received by reciting Dwayam 108 times. (AdiyEn's practice when any Bhagavad & BhAgavata ApachAram is heard / seen. AdiyEn did the same when AdiyEn was unfortunate enough to hear the treatment meted out to our SwAmi). AdiyEn would believe that due to AdiyEn's anAdi pApam and this being the last in AdiyEn's cycle, the karmA is taking effect as the balance sheet is being squared by HIM ). So this tirade is welcome! Besides information from such 'authenticate' and 'unbiased' sources, adiyEn had the misfortune (some 3 years ago) of hearing from the archaKa, at Desikan sannidhi 'first hand' that swAmi's sannidhi is under perpetual neglect and adiyEN could see it. Rumor! Now you can question this source also? Somehow adiyEn is unable to. Search me! Now with such information and anumAnam adiyEn may be wrong to have 'accepted' another Sri Vaishanava's word for the treatment meted to my SwAmi. But having known the ubhaya kalais stoop to various lows, AdiyEn never once doubted the veracity of the bhAgavata's statement. If someone gets offended and reacts rather than makes amends, adiyEn is not responsible. So there would not be any 'Forgive adiyEn if anyone's sensitivities are offended'! Au contraire. If someone is offended then this would be EmberumAn's Divya Anghyai to act and remedy the situation, not wish it away or 'do an ostrich'. AdiyEn fully welcomes DevarIr's suggestion to enquire into this. And the message has been: Situations cannot be changed by condeming or using abusive language. All of us acknowledge / know implicitly the dwEsham that is going on between ubhaya kalais (between the uninitiated and uneducated, of course) and this could be changed only by prayers to the AchAryAs and the Divya Dhampatis. If that message has not been recvd because of the purported 'nonsense', adiyEn's mail had failed to deliver! DAsan VedAntam SrinivAsarAghavan AyyangAr ************************************************************************ Purpose of life is transform your ability to experience living, so that the situation you have been 'trying to change' or have been 'putting up with' will clear in the process of life itself ) ----Original Message Follows---- vinjamoorvenkat mani,vayyangar CC: bhakti-list Re: Re: Vinayaka Posed as Lord Krishna Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:50:11 +0900 Srimathe Ramanujaya namaha. Well, I was going to right about this in the list, but I saw Shri Mani's mail, which was exactly the same I would have written. This is only a rumour. I don't want to repeat the logical question that Mani asked, instead, if this were to be true, and being practised even today, why is there no objection to this from anybody. Please note such kind of false propaganda will only lead to a split in the otherwise cohesive list where everybody enjoy the "bhaktAmrutham". Finally, I humbly request, Sri T.S. Sundararajan swamy and Sri Krishmachariar swamy of "Sri Vaishnava Sri" fame, the Srirangam sthalathArs, to verify and inform all of us about what was written by Sri Vedantham. Nevertheless, if this is true, this dastardly act is to be severely condemned by all irrespective of the kalai bedham and see to that it does not take place again. AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh ---- Begin Original Message ---- Mani Varadarajan <mani Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:31:34 -0700 vayyangar CC: bhakti-list Re: Vinayaka Posed as Lord Krishna VedAntam S. Ayyangar writes: > A few so called 'vaishnavas' and 'iyengars' (here one is not > sure what five angams we refer to!), wear their yangjyopavItam > around their ear (like when one visits a souchAlay) when > accepting SatAri and ThIrtam at SwAmi [Desika]'s Sannidhi at > the holiest of holy places for a Sri Vaishnavan i.e, SriRangam. I seriously doubt that this is true. It sounds like one of those ugly, farfetched rumors that are propagated by extremists on either side of the Sri Vaishnava schism. I have heard numerous such falsities since I have been privileged to manage this List, and in every instance each has been proven to be pure, unsubstantiated rumor. For one, do you think the archakar swAmi at Desikan Sannidhi would even consider giving tIrtham or SaThAri to someone who showed such outward signs of disrespect? Please -- if you hear a rumor, don't believe it unless it is verified either first-hand or by *unbiased*, authoritative sources. At the very least, do not propagate such nonsense on this list. Thanks, Mani ----------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of is subject to ---- End Original Message ---- Enjoy being an Indyan at http://www.indya.com ----------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of is subject to _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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