The "real" fear...

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srimatE rAmAnujaya nama:

 

There have been a lot of postings on the recent terrorist fear and

"praying to EmberumAn" to save us etc... Does not Perumal know what

is good for us and the mankind at large...? Does He have to be

reminded to do His duty? I can understand such thoughts of praying

for a material cause if it comes of from a group of people who are

NOT into "Shrivaishnavism"... I am, to a certain extent, sort of

surprised at these coming from a Shrivaishnava group such as this...

Alwars and PurvAcharyAs have time and again said the "real fear"

should be of the "samsAra" and the only way to get rid of that fear

is to "surrender" to Him (thru ofcourse the grace of an Acharya) in

order to release onself from this "samsAra sAgaram ghOram ..anantha

klEsha bhAjanam"...I have heard in kAlakshepams that learned elders

request Perumal saying "please do not make me an object for your

'leelai' (meaning in Leela vibhoothi) but an object for your

'kainkaryam' (meaning in Nithya vibhoothi)". Time and again we listen

to kAlakshepams where they say that as long as we live in this

samsAra, every chEtana HAS to undergo fear one kind or the other

(janma , mrthyu, jara ,vyadhi bhayam...) and there is no escape..the

only escape is when , by His grace and Acharya sambhandham, we come

out of this cycle of births.. This being the case, praying to

Perumal to relieve us of fear in this world is something that does

not seem to be a real "Shrivaishnava" thought or action...

 

Please pardon me if I have said anything wrong...

 

rAmAnuja dAsi

 

 

 

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One who is liberated does not see any reason to

lament. He knows that that the ksetra jna cannot slay

nor be slain. Similarly a liberated devotee can go

through all this pain and suffering without getting

affected because he can see that he is different from

the body. Just like we dont get too much affected by

the terrorist attack because we are different from the

people who were affected. We all know that the people

in WTC or the planes were not liberated and so were

feeling pain and suffering and so would their

survivors. So a vaishnava being paro duhkha duhkhi

prays for the welfare of every one because he suffers

others pains not his own - ultimately for all of our

emancipation but also for temporary relief. The sages

in naimisaranya who discussed Bhagavatham did that.

They were liberated and do not identify with the pain

or pleasure of the body or mind. Narada, Sudharshana

and so many others gave ways for temporary relief

alongside permanent relief. Following in their

footsteps the acts of these sri vaishnavas praying for

the welfare of all is laudable. It is human nature to

feel compassion. We should be above mere material

compassion. Not below it.

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SrI:

SrImathe Ramanujaya namah:

Dear Smt Sheela Belur,

adiyEn's praNAmams.

What you said is 100 percent true. Srivaishnavas (ParamaikAnthins) ned not

worry or fear about anything at all.

Once surrendered to Sriya: Pathi, worrying about anything (be it this life

or the SrivaikUNta life), is lacking in unconditional faith in Him. No

difference of opinion at all.

 

BUT..:-)

 

A srivaishnavan is one who feels, "aiyO" ;takes pity on; who empathsies

with; for the suffering.

One who is a vaishnav- who Knows the pain of others and (Par-dukhkhe upkaar

kare toye) does good to others, esp. to those ones who are in misery.

 

What that burstsout in Srivaishnava is to pray to his Lord for showerring

His grace on the suffering..

One amy argue that the Lord knows what to give them and it is their karmA/

fate etc.. A Srivaishnava scholar may also be aware of the same. But

feeling for the suffering is a different attribute.

 

On the same token, though not 100 % identical, for comparson' sake: This is

similar to taking an umbrella or covering with a cloth when the Lord's

utsava mUrthi is take on procession on the streets, and is found to be

under the direct sun. He is Sarvagnan; equivalent to 1000 Suns (why should

one cover Him with the umbrella?.should not be the attitude. aiO! en appan

mEl veiyil padarathE.. should be the outburst)

 

On the same token, the feeling for others' misery and suffering and prayers

to the Lord for saving them too.

 

adiyEn's view point. I may be wrong. (not uncommon)

Please forgive me for errors and indulgence.

 

Regards

Narayana Narayana

aDiyEn

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Smt Sheela Belur wrote:

srimatE rAmAnujaya nama:

 

There have been a lot of postings on the recent terrorist fear and

"praying to EmberumAn" to save us etc... Does not Perumal know what

is good for us and the mankind at large...? Does He have to be

reminded to do His duty? I can understand such thoughts of praying

for a material cause if it comes of from a group of people who are

NOT into "Shrivaishnavism"... I am, to a certain extent, sort of

surprised at these coming from a Shrivaishnava group such as this...

Alwars and PurvAcharyAs have time and again said the "real fear"

should be of the "samsAra" and the only way to get rid of that fear

is to "surrender" to Him (thru ofcourse the grace of an Acharya) in

order to release onself from this "samsAra sAgaram ghOram ..anantha

klEsha bhAjanam"...I have heard in kAlakshepams that learned elders

request Perumal saying "please do not make me an object for your

'leelai' (meaning in Leela vibhoothi) but an object for your

'kainkaryam' (meaning in Nithya vibhoothi)". Time and again we listen

to kAlakshepams where they say that as long as we live in this

samsAra, every chEtana HAS to undergo fear one kind or the other

(janma , mrthyu, jara ,vyadhi bhayam...) and there is no escape..the

only escape is when , by His grace and Acharya sambhandham, we come

out of this cycle of births.. This being the case, praying to

Perumal to relieve us of fear in this world is something that does

not seem to be a real "Shrivaishnava" thought or action...

 

Please pardon me if I have said anything wrong...

 

rAmAnuja dAsi

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My posting on real "fear" was NOT aimed at compassion towards the

victims and their families of the terrorist attacks. There is NO

second opinion about the compassion that one needs to have towards

those involved. After all, we are all aware how KooratalwAn had

compassion towards even those who were responsible for cruelty

towards him! The posting was aimed at suggestions to pray to Perumal

for our "welfare" in this world....

>Message: 22

> Sat, 22 Sep 2001 08:49:22 -0700 (PDT)

> Rajaram Venkataramani <v_raja_ram

>Re: The "real" fear...

>

>One who is liberated does not see any reason to

>lament. He knows that that the ksetra jna cannot slay

>nor be slain. Similarly a liberated devotee can go

>through all this pain and suffering without getting

>affected because he can see that he is different from

>the body. Just like we dont get too much affected by

>the terrorist attack because we are different from the

>people who were affected. We all know that the people

>in WTC or the planes were not liberated and so were

>feeling pain and suffering and so would their

>survivors. So a vaishnava being paro duhkha duhkhi

>prays for the welfare of every one because he suffers

>others pains not his own - ultimately for all of our

>emancipation but also for temporary relief. The sages

>in naimisaranya who discussed Bhagavatham did that.

>They were liberated and do not identify with the pain

>or pleasure of the body or mind. Narada, Sudharshana

>and so many others gave ways for temporary relief

>alongside permanent relief. Following in their

>footsteps the acts of these sri vaishnavas praying for

>the welfare of all is laudable. It is human nature to

>feel compassion. We should be above mere material

>compassion. Not below it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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