Few doubts

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Dear friends,

 

I have having the following doubts

 

1) How are concepts like Time and Space handled in our Sampradayam.What is

Time?.What was existing before Time?.Are there any works of Azhwars or Acharyas

dealing with these issues.

 

2) We say Vedas are Apoursheyam, eternal and have no date of origin ,but at the

same time we say Rig veda as the Oldest.When we say that it is oldest doesnt

time come in to play here.Doesnt the term oldest indirectly means a time of

origination.Does it mean Rig veda originated first and then came other vedas.

 

3)How can there be any karma associated with the first birth.I understand

Perumal says in GITA that jiva is eternal and there was never a point in time

where it was not existing.Can anybody explain?

 

Pardon my ignorance

 

Adiyaen Srinivasa Daasan

 

Badri

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Shrimathe Raamanujaaya namaha:

Dear Badri,

I am just trying to put in words whatever I know and have heard from discourses.

Please forgive me if they are wrong by any means and if it mislead any of you

and I request our 'vaishnava periyors' to kindly validate and correct the same

if it were wrong. Once again, since I am too young and I don't have much

experience, I apologise if what I am going to tell is wrong based on what I have

understood.

 

Time starts when the Brahman(Shri MahaVishnu) creates the materialistic

universe(Shristi). Nabhya aaseeth anthariksham - the universe was created from

the lotus that came up from the Bagavan's nabi(navel) and from then on the

Brahma and the vedas and then the universe. The time starts ticking right from

that point. Our vedas say that even Brahma has limited age(100 years or so) and

when his time is over the entire universe including the Brahma is taken back by

bagavan(pralaya kaalam). So, time starts from the shristi and ends up at

pralayam.

During this time interval between the shristi and pralayam the 'first' means at

the time of origin of this materialistic universe - the time of shristi - that

was when Brahma learnt all the vedas from the bagavan - bagavan did

Veda-upadesam to brahma's heart, the first of the vedas being Rig Veda and hence

Rigveda has been known as the oldest.

 

Regarding karma, according to Shri Ramanujacharya, (according to Vishitadvaita)

the jivas and this entire universe form the sharira of the bhagavan - the jivas

when created - created means though they are eternal as the sharira of the

brahman - they were let out to this materialistic world(first birth) at shristi

and are given a little amount of independence to do what they want(the karma)

and there by the brahman is free from partiality/brutality/free from prejudice.

The brahman gives that freedom to the jiva and hence He is not being partial

while the jivas using their independence do what they want(the karma). Hence

though the jivas are eternal, their karmas aren't.

I also heard that Shri Vedanthachar differed in this by saying, the jivas have

Nithyakarma that means their karmas are also eternal as they are.

This is purely my interpretation of whatever I've heard and in case of any

mistakes kindly forgive me for the same and please do correct me on the same so

that I won't carry these incorrect information(if any) with me.

 

Thanks a ton for reading through the above. Please feel free to correct me on

all the mistakes or misinformations(if any) that I've furnished above.

 

Sarva aparaadhan kshmasava.

 

Adiyen Ramanuja daasan.

Lakshmi Nrusimhan

-

badri narayanan

Tuesday, October 16, 2001 1:49 AM

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Few doubts

 

 

Dear friends,

 

I have having the following doubts

 

1) How are concepts like Time and Space handled in our Sampradayam.What is

Time?.What was existing before Time?.Are there any works of Azhwars or Acharyas

dealing with these issues.

 

2) We say Vedas are Apoursheyam, eternal and have no date of origin ,but at the

same time we say Rig veda as the Oldest.When we say that it is oldest doesnt

time come in to play here.Doesnt the term oldest indirectly means a time of

origination.Does it mean Rig veda originated first and then came other vedas.

 

3)How can there be any karma associated with the first birth.I understand

Perumal says in GITA that jiva is eternal and there was never a point in time

where it was not existing.Can anybody explain?

 

Pardon my ignorance

 

Adiyaen Srinivasa Daasan

 

Badri

 

 

 

 

 

Make a great connection at Personals.

 

 

 

 

 

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