Guest guest Posted October 29, 2001 Report Share Posted October 29, 2001 Sashtanga namaskarams to all Bhagavatas. I have been a silent reader and enjoyer of the Bhakti-list for quite some time. I have had this question within me for quite some time. Please advise on this. How can we identify a TRUE bhagavata? I know a little bit on this... A true bhagavatha has no ego, always considers himself as servants of other bhagavathas and yearns to do selfless kainkaryam to them etc .... But in this modern world, how can we tell a TRUE bhagavatha from others? This question has highlighted itself because of a personal experience I had a few weeks back. I know a very elderly person who is very well versed in philosophy and SriVaishnavism.He is an expert in Vedas and Upanishads. He performs Aradhanam to SrimanNarayana daily.I respected him very much till recently and considered him a true bhagavatha. But a few weeks back, he spoke very lowly about My Acharyan and My Acharya lineage. (I would not like to mention the name of the Matham/Ashramam I belong to, since this has created problems on the list in the past). I felt very hurt at that point but did not say anything at that time. But since that day, I have serious doubts.... I have not visited him since that episode... I request all the learned bhagavatas in the group to clarify and clear my doubts. If I am not wrong, doing service to an unworthy person is also not correct. My sincere apologies at the feet of all bhagavatas if I have written anything wrong. Swami Desikan Tiruvadigale Saranam, daasan, Srikanth _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 SrI: SrImathE Ramanujaya namah: Dear SrI Srikanth, I empathise with your sentiments. Do not feel hurt and bad about another Srivaishnava's remarks. No doubt we can not tolerate any disparaging remarks on our AchAryan. Our AchAryan is the walking God on earth. But if some Srivaishnava (about whom we have high regards) makes such a statement, all that we need to do (us, being Srivaishnavas too) is to pray to the Lord and to our AChAryan seeking Their forgiveness.. on this person. But at no point of time, let us commit BhAgawatha apachAram by avoiding any kaimkaryam / service to him (which we have been doing). It is hi praarandha karmA that makes him speak such manner; and ours to listen to such statements. All is Bhagawath sankalpam. We need to only remind ourselves of PeriyAzhwAr's line.. pEsuvaar adiyAr emthammai viRkavum thuNindhavargaL.. Alternatively, if you know him well, you may give your piece of mind sharing your hurt feelings. Regards Narayana Narayana NarayaNa dAsan madhavakkannan ----Original Message Follows---- "Srikanth H. R." <hrsrikanth bhakti-list How to identify a true bhAgavatha? Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:21:00 +0530 Sashtanga namaskarams to all Bhagavatas. I have been a silent reader and enjoyer of the Bhakti-list for quite some time. I have had this question within me for quite some time. Please advise on this. How can we identify a TRUE bhagavata? I know a little bit on this... A true bhagavatha has no ego, always considers himself as servants of other bhagavathas and yearns to do selfless kainkaryam to them etc .... But in this modern world, how can we tell a TRUE bhagavatha from others? This question has highlighted itself because of a personal experience I had a few weeks back. I know a very elderly person who is very well versed in philosophy and SriVaishnavism.He is an expert in Vedas and Upanishads. He performs Aradhanam to SrimanNarayana daily.I respected him very much till recently and considered him a true bhagavatha. But a few weeks back, he spoke very lowly about My Acharyan and My Acharya lineage. (I would not like to mention the name of the Matham/Ashramam I belong to, since this has created problems on the list in the past). I felt very hurt at that point but did not say anything at that time. But since that day, I have serious doubts.... I have not visited him since that episode... I request all the learned bhagavatas in the group to clarify and clear my doubts. If I am not wrong, doing service to an unworthy person is also not correct. My sincere apologies at the feet of all bhagavatas if I have written anything wrong. Swami Desikan Tiruvadigale Saranam, daasan, Srikanth _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2001 Report Share Posted October 31, 2001 Sri: Sri Ramanujaya Namah: Sri Nigamahantha Desikaya Namah: Sri Lakshmi Narasimha Paramatmane parabrahmane namah: Dear Srikanth, Please continue to respect the same bhaagavatha, it so happens, that we out of our intimate attachment with certain mutts or lineage tend to prove others that our linegae is the best. wherein a few times we tend to offend others without our knowledge. but we all know that all lineages of our sri sampradayam are great and are respected equally. also it is the lakshana of a true bhagavatha to forgive the offences of other bhagavathas. so in u'r case pls forgive the offender. as u would be aware no human in the present age is perfect and all are prone to mistakes. what u could do is meet him , speak with him and try to explain that all the lineages are equally great. sri: adiyen Sridhar --- "Srikanth H. R." <hrsrikanth wrote: > Sashtanga namaskarams to all Bhagavatas. > > I have been a silent reader and enjoyer of the > Bhakti-list > for quite some time. I have had this question within > me for > quite some time. Please advise on this. > > How can we identify a TRUE bhagavata? > I know a little bit on this... > A true bhagavatha has no ego, always considers > himself > as servants of other bhagavathas and yearns to do > selfless > kainkaryam to them etc .... > > But in this modern world, how can we tell a TRUE > bhagavatha > from others? > > This question has highlighted itself because of a > personal > experience I had a few weeks back. > I know a very elderly person who is very well versed > in > philosophy and SriVaishnavism.He is an expert in > Vedas > and Upanishads. He performs Aradhanam to > SrimanNarayana daily.I > respected him very much till recently and considered > him > a true bhagavatha. > But a few weeks back, he spoke very lowly about My > Acharyan > and My Acharya lineage. > > (I would not like to mention the name of the > Matham/Ashramam I belong > to, since this has created problems on the list in > the past). > > I felt very hurt at that point but did not say > anything at that > time. But since that day, I have serious doubts.... > I have not visited him since that episode... > > I request all the learned bhagavatas in the group to > clarify and clear my doubts. > > If I am not wrong, doing service to an unworthy > person > is also not correct. > > My sincere apologies at the feet of all bhagavatas > if I have written > anything wrong. > > Swami Desikan Tiruvadigale Saranam, > daasan, > Srikanth > > _______________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > ----------------------------- > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - > To Post a message, send it to: > bhakti-list > Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Make a great connection at Personals. http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2001 Report Share Posted November 1, 2001 Dear Sri madhavakkannan: Would you please write the whole Paasuram you mentioned. DAsAu Dasan Jaghannathan yAmuna --- Madhavakkannan V <srivaishnavan wrote: > SrI: > SrImathE Ramanujaya namah: > Dear SrI Srikanth, > > I empathise with your sentiments. Do not feel hurt > and bad about another > Srivaishnava's remarks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2001 Report Share Posted November 1, 2001 SrI: Dear SRi Jagan, Here is the transliterated version of that PAsuram: kaasinvaayk karam viRkilum* karavaadhu maaRRilisORittu* dEsavaartthai padaikkum* vaNkaiyinaargaL vaazhthirukkOttiyoor* kEsavaa! purudOtthamaa! kiLarjOthiyaay! kuRaLaa! enRu PESUVAAR ADIYAARGAL* ENTHAMMAI VIRKAVUM PERUVAARGALE...(PeriyAzhwAr Thirumozhi 4.4.10) What an excellent PAsuram! What a abhimaanam and Bhaagawatha sEshathvam! AzhwAr beautifully says: Those who utter the diviene names of ThirukkOttiyoor Lord, calling Him as Kesavaa! PurushOtthamaa! Vaamanaa! ParanjOthI!" have evry right to sell even our bodies. We- our bodies- belong to them as their property. They can do what they want to do with them.. Like a sandal paste..with no personal wants.. Living like what Sathrugnan did. Thanks for letting me mull this divine pAsuram Regards Narayana Narayana NarayaNa dAsan madhavakkannan ----Original Message Follows---- JaghanIyenger <gyjaghan Madhavakkannan V <srivaishnavan, bhakti-list Re: How to identify a true bhAgavatha? Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:11:33 -0800 (PST) Dear Sri madhavakkannan: Would you please write the whole Paasuram you mentioned. DAsAu Dasan Jaghannathan yAmuna _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 Srimate Ramanujaya Nama: Srimathe Sri LakshmiNrsimha Paduka Sevaka Srivan Satakopa Sri Narayana Yathindra Mahadesikaya Nama : Dear Shriman Srikanth, Shri Shridhar has given a nice solution to your situation. However, I beg to slightly differ from him regarding the last point. I have found from my own experience ( I am only 28 yrs. old ? !) that it is VERY difficult to change the convictions (good or bad) of elderly people. Unless they voluntarily do some introspection, things are not going to improve. Option One: In view of the above, it's best to avoid (I am not advising to totally neglect) such persons in the future. Hence, you might be thinking of keeping away from him. But, simultaneously consider another point. Option 2 "Engae gunam irukkumo angae kutramum irukkum"..Nobody is truly perfect to the core. The point is, if you think you need to draw upon his knowledge of Bhagavan and related areas, and hence you need to contact him in the future, you can overlook the small defects as Shri Sridhar has suggested. But given another chance, you can make him understand that all lineages are to be respected by whoever it may be. Please excuse if you find my suggestion offensive. Servant of the servant of the servant............of the Supreme Lord Narayana, Srivathsan. Find a job, post your resume. http://careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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