Guest guest Posted November 8, 2001 Report Share Posted November 8, 2001 Dear Sriman Mukundan, Sriman Sathya, Sriman Srikanth, I am sure a lot has already been discussed on this august list on spiritual aspects of why a 'satvik' diet is essential for anyone interested in seeking the guidance of the Lord and why vegetarian food is more likely to be of satvik variety than other foods. I humbly submit my two cents' worth. With regard to the question posed to Sriman Mukundan by the young kids, the question is not about food and whether eating plants is ok, but not animals, but about relativist versus absolute ethics. As in most circumstances, there are two (or possibly more) ethical principles operative here. One of these is 'the principle of non-violence to other beings'; another principle is the 'promotion of well-being of oneself and other members of one's family'. (A third principle could be that of serving others). If we interpret either of these principles absolutely, we have extreme positions: -one where you cannot eat anything at all and hence starve to death or -where only your enjoyment matters and nothing else (and not even the lives of other beings -in extreme case, cannibals). Absolute interpretations cannot take us very far in a world where (ethical) conflicts exist. You can ask the kids, if the road is for vehicles, then pedestrians should not set foot on the road. They will probably tell you, yes, but, you can cross at places marked on the road as pedestrian crossings. It is possible to build cities where pedestrian paths and vehicle paths never cross each other, but history shows us that it is both impractical and inefficient. On a similar logic, you can say that our elders want us to be non-violent to other beings but at the same time, they do not want us to starve to death and hence, like the pedestrian crossing, they have provided these allowances. It is for us to observe the allowances and not abuse them. (You can relate the above arguments with incidents in Mahabharata and why dharma allows violation or transgression of a lower order principle when it is done solely in the achievement of a higher order principle). The questions posed by Sriman Sathya involve another moral principle, that of non-cognisance (or ignorance). Are you morally responsible for using incense sticks if you were ignorant that a certain animal product was used in their making? In any case, I am not sure, in our sampradayam, agarbathis are used. As far as I know, in the DDs, only special types of resins (sambrani) are used. However, the question is still relevant. (Instead of incense sticks, think of a garland you have purchased, but not sure if the person who made it used their teeth to cut the thread, for example.). In such cases too, there is no absolute answer. Once again it depends on the context. Practising of dharma involves both the identification of moral conflict in a particular context and also the relative placement of the moral principles involved. As in case of a Supreme Court judge weighing various factors, we are also required to show our judgement, keeping in view of course the various laws, the precedence and established judgements in similar moral dilemmas. At the same time, we are not supposed to take umbrage of ignorance as a solution. We are supposed to actively seek knowledge so that we do not commit mistakes of ignorance (similar to the requirement of passing a theory test before taking a practical driving test and becoming a driver). I attach below a few excerpts from some of my notes on vegetarianism. Hope these are of some interest. Apologies if I spoke too much. Adiyen, Ramanuja dasan, Anand PB -------- Some Personal Notes on Vegetarianism. (mainly based on history and not scriptures or teachings of acharyas or faiths) 1. According to historians, vegetarianism or a preference for non-flesh diet evolved in both Indian and Greek traditions at about the same time (the middle of first millennium BC) - which also coincides with the development of Budhist and Jain traditions. Among the prominent early proponents was Pythogoras of Samos (530 BC) - though these ideas continued to be seen in the teachings of Plato onwards. While in Budhist and Jain traditions, non-violence towards sensient beings seems to be the main reason, the Greek tradition appears to be closer to the 'satvik' reasoning mentioned above (avoidance of opulence, food as a means than a festish and so on). Two plausible reasons are suggested for the development of vegetarianism in Indian subcontinent during that period:(a) the moral conflict between recognition of cow as sacred and flesh-eating; (b) economic circumstances rather than ethical choice. The former is more likely to have been the reason during the period 500bc to approx. ad500 (coinciding with the spread and then gradual waning of budhist practice in India) and the latter as the likely reason for the period after that. We can only speculate. 2. Though early christian teachings also maintained discussions on the benefits of vegetarianism, we are told that in the western world, many of these subtle messages were lost in the so called 'dark ages' i.e.,until about the middle of AD second millennium (except in some specific orders of catholic church). Thereafter, we are told, some of the lost traditions were rediscovered (about AD1500) and by early 19th century, harbingers of modern vegetarian societies began to emerge, mainly from particular branches of christian thought. One early event is attributed to the formation of a vegetarian society in 1809 in Manchester (England). 3. In the late 19th and early 20th century, we are told that in Germany, a different and more interesting interpretation of vegetarianism was given by relating it not to vegetables but to the Latin root of 'vegetus' to mean being active and vigorous (according to Foods and Nutrition Encyclopedia,volume 2, ). 4. Among the various prominent people whose names are quoted by different sources to have supported the benefits of vegetarianism or a non-flesh based diet(not the same thing as claiming that they were or are vegetarians) are: Voltaire, PB Shelley, Thoreau, more recently Annie Besant, Leo Tolstoy, GB Shaw, and even closer to present times, Olympian Moses and Martina Navratilova. (When a certain sanitarium in Battle Creek, Michigan, offered a job to a particular young man in 1866 to develop a cereal based diet for vegetarians, none of those involved may have envisaged that the decision will eventually lead to the emrgence of a multi-national corporation producing breakfast cereals!) 5. For a lot of excellent info on vegetarianism etc., if you have not already seen, see the homepage of International Vegetarian Union http://www.ivu.org/ 6. Scientific opinion, per se, as to whether by nature (i.e., the genetic design - for example,relating to digestive track or the evolution of the shape of our teeth) we are supposed to be vegetarians or otherwise, is divided. The site mentioned above has some interesting articles on this. I am quite comfortable with the view that our spiritual teachers (our well-wishers) have in their wisdom suggested this to be in our interest. 7. Is vegetarianism equal to self-denial? I think the 'satvik' reasoning is important to remember. It is very easy to be vegetarian and gluttonous simultaneously. Our acharyas remind us the meaning of the word 'annam' (one which destroys the person who consumes it) and why in our sampradayam we do not desire food as an end but only as a means to Lord's service. However, nutritionists tell us that to absorb the required amount of (daily allowance) of protein and iron, for a person with vegetarian diet, the problem is not protein per se, but that of amino acids of plant origin which are difficult to digest. If adequate calories are provided by the food - then, it seems, absorption of amino acids will not be a problem. (Hence, the need for properly balanced and adequate amount of food.). 8. To look up: Some years ago, HH Srimannarayana Chinna Jeeyar Swamyji clarified in an excellent and very easily accessible article in Bhaktinivedana, a number of important aspects of vegetarianism. The article was titled 'kokkorokko' (the alarm call of rooster). It will be nice if we can access that article or its gist. Sources: Britannica, Macropaedia, Uni of Chicago. Foods and Nutrition Encyclopedia, Pegus Press, Cal. Various articles in food magazines. ===== Anand Prathivadi Bhayankaram, PhD Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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