Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 srimatE rAmAnujAya nama: Pranamams. A few months ago I had posted a question in this forum asking for the reason for doing "srichoorna paripAlanai" to a prapanna's body after the soul leaves the body. I had not received any response from anyone. Yesterday in U.Ve. Sriman M.A.Venkatakrishnan Swamy's discourse on Tiruppalandu he happened to mention the reason. Since someone else at a later date may have the same question, I am recording it in this list via this posting. The only reason Srichoorna paripalanai is done is, since the Atman in that body reached paramapadam after leaving that particular body, that body is considered very very special and needs to be honored. That is because, unlike the countless other bodies that the Atma took prior to that, this one is a "special body" in view of the fact that while in that body, the Atman went thru pancha samskaram through the grace of an Acharya and ultimately attained paramapadam due to rAmAnuja sambhandham. It is to show respect for this body that "srichoorna paripalanai" and recitation of certain manthrams are done for the body. Sriman MAV Swamy went on to say how in the case of Jeeyars and matAdhipathis, their bodies are even given "tirumanjanam" and the theertham from it is given to all those present. If anyone has more questions on this, they can ask the same during the Q & A session that Swami MAV is planning to hold in the coming weeks. rAmAnuja dAsi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 bhakti-list, bvsheela wrote: > That is because, unlike the countless other bodies that the Atma took > prior to that, this one is a "special body" in view of the fact that > while in that body, the Atman went thru pancha samskaram through the > grace of an Acharya and ultimately attained paramapadam due to > rAmAnuja sambhandham. In the interests of accuracy, it should be pointed out that the attainment of moksha is possible only through the grace of the Lord who is the paramAtman seated within the heart. Association with Sri Ramanuja or Sri Ramanuja's tradition is neither necessary nor sufficient to attain the moksha; rather, it is a helpful factor (perhaps the most helpful factor) on the way to becoming a jnAni, a 'wise one'. As Sri Ramanuja explains, following up on Lord Krishna's remarks, the jnAni is one who has an unbearable thirst for the Lord and the Lord alone. Sri Ramanuja also clarifies so explicitly in Sribhashya, the Lord alone is once again the 'setu' to 'amRta' -- the bridge to immortality. The jnAni recognizes this in his or her very being and is therefore is that rare vessel that is completely filled with the grace of the Lord. Being such a jnAni is concomitant with the attainment of moksha -- so, if I may clarify your statement above, to be faithful to Sri Ramanuja's own teachings, we must say that we anoint the lifeless body with tirumaN kAppu to recognize that *the Lord's grace* was fully operative in respect to the jIva who ensouled that body, and in this last earthly sojourn this jIva attained the state of 'jnAni'. With regards, aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha srImadh varavara munayE namaha Dear Sri Mani Probably what Sri MAV mentioned and what Smt Sheela paraphrased as "mOksha due to Sri rAmAnuja sambhandam" comes from the well know incident mentioned in the Guruparampara prabhAvams, where Sriman nArAyaNan declared mOksham, out of ecstasy, to all who have rAmAnuja sambhandam. This, however, does not invalidate your point that, it is only the grace of Sriman nArAyaNan which will enable the jeevAtmA to attain mOksham. The first statement is more out of compassion towards swamy emberumAnAr, by emberumAn Himself. So both are to be considered as parallels, though the former, as you said, is not necessary. But sufficiency.....?, yes, it is the word of emberumAn Himself. So the possibility is very much there that it is sufficient. But the point to be remembered is that, just undergoing pancha samskaram and claiming that we have received the rAmAnuja sambhandam is utterly wrong. Yes, we might have gained the sambhandam but we have to sustain it with our "krtya karaNAs"(prescribed deeds). This is more like the saying that " Sustaining is more difficult than Getting the ISO Certification". Needless to explain here what is ISO certification. AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2001 Report Share Posted November 10, 2001 > > prior to that, this one is a "special body" in > view of the fact > that > > while in that body, the Atman went thru pancha > samskaram through > the > > grace of an Acharya and ultimately attained > paramapadam due to > > rAmAnuja sambhandham. The speciality of the body is that it belongs to the Lord. The process of samskaram basically is performing ahuti with the body. The body is offered as havis into the funeral pyre. The sankalpa, apparently, is done as "paramapada prAptyartham". The soul has already departed to its owner. There is no use for the body. Now, the body is offered through fire to the Lord. Since the body belongs to the Lord, and is going to be offered to Him, it is adorned with the markings of a vaishNava vasthu - i.e. thirumaN/srIchUrNam. It is interesting to note that many communities (predominantly the non-brahmin communities) call the whole process as "nArAyaNa bali" or "thirunArAyaNa bali". For some reason, the brahmin community in tamizhnAdu does not use that name, which seems quite apt for the process. similar to the above, the process of samasrayaNam signifies our thinking ourselves as acEtana vasthus in complete servitude to the Lord, and the putting of markings that denote the ownership - i.e. the sanku and chakkaram on the vasthu - recall periyAzhvAr thirumozhi senniyOngu pathigam - ennaiyum en udaimaiyaiyum un chakkarap poRi oRRik koNdu; thiruvAymozhi - uruvaar chakkaram sangu sumandhu ingu ummOdu adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan, varadhan Find a job, post your resume. http://careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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