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Respected members,

 

I am looking for the answer to the origin of some scriptures which

I understand are part of the Puranas. Yet I do not know for certain

which of the Puranas it is refered to. I want to know which of the

Puranas contain the Srimad Bhagavatam, which includes the Gita and in

which Puranas is the Mahabarata encountered? What is the difference

between the Srimad Bhagavatam and the Bhagavata Purana.

If you could kindly provide the answer to this question you are thanked

in advance.

 

Regards,

B.S.

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srImathE rAmAmujAya namaha

srImadh varavara munayE namah

 

Dear Sri B.S

 

Srimadh Bhagavatham or Bhagavatha purana, is by itself a purANa. The

purANAs are 18 in number of which 6 are sAtvic in nature, 6 are rAjasic in

nature and 6 are tAmasic in nature. Srimadh bhAgavatham or bhAgavatha

purANA is one of the sAtvic purANAs. They both are one and the same.

 

mahAbhArathA is not contained in any purANA. It is called IthihAsA.

IthihAsA means "it happened thus". Yes, both rAmAyaNA and mahAbhArathA are

true recordings (eye witness account) of what happened during that time.

And gItA is a part of this mahAbhArathA.

 

The IthihAsAs take much pride in that, they are considered even worthier

than the purANAs. The reason being that, in purANAs, there is a

classification of sAtvic, rAjasic and tAmasic purANAs and these are said to

have emerged when BrahmA was in that particular state of mind. So for a

prAmANam (100% proof) we have to consider only the sAtvic purANAs, the

foremost of them being Sri Vishnu purANA, which is called by Sri ALavandAr

as "purANa ratnam". Looking at IthihAsAs, they just talk nothing but truth

and hence takes priority over the purANAs.

 

This is brought out beautifully in Sri Vachana BhooshaNam, a very authentic

rahasya grantham of Swamy PiLLai lOkAchAriar , as "vEdArtham

aRudhiyiduvadhu smruthi, ithihAsa purANangaLAlE" (the meanings of the vEdAs

can be understood clearly from 1. smruthis, 2. IthihAsam & 3. purANam.

 

The great AchAryan of Sri Vishnu Himself, Sri maNavALa mAmunigaL, in his

vyAkhyAnam (explanation) for the above sUtra of Sri vachana bhooshaNam

explains what I have written in the 3rd para above. Hence what I wrote is

only a reproduction of what the greatest AchArya ever, explained.

 

AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh

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Dear Sri B.S. / Members,

 

Here is my limited understanding.

 

Srimad Ramayana by Sage Valmiki and Mahabharatha by Sage Vyasa are not

classified as Puranas. They are considered ithihAsAs or great epics. As

regards Sri Bhagavad Gita, it is part of Mahabharatha - and represents the

most enlightening conversation between Lord Sri Krishna and Arjuna.

 

There are 18 major Puranas, and among them, Vishnu, Varaha, Vamana, Matsya,

Kurma, Srimad Bhagavatha and Garuda Puranas are considered relevant to Sri

Vaishnavam/VisistAdvaitam.

 

Sri Vishnu Purana is by Sage Parasara, (Vyasa's father). Srimad Bhagavada

Purana is often simply known as Srimad Bhagavatam and is by Vyasa.

 

18 Puranas:

 

1. Vishnu Purana

2. Varaha Purana

3. Vamana Purana

4. Kurma Purana

5. Matsya Purana

6. Srimad Bhagavada(m) Purana

7. Garuda Purana

8. Narada Purana

9. Agni Purana

10. Brahma Purana

11. Padma Purana

12. Brahmanda Purana

13. Brahmavaivartaka Purana

14. Bhavishya Purana

15. Linga Purana

16. Markandeya Purana

17. Siva Purana

18. Skanda Purana

 

-Sriram

 

 

 

bbruzl [bbruzl]

Wednesday, November 21, 2001 6:12 PM

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Srimad Bhagawatam/ Gita

 

Respected members,

 

I am looking for the answer to the origin of some scriptures which

I understand are part of the Puranas. Yet I do not know for certain

which of the Puranas it is refered to. I want to know which of the

Puranas contain the Srimad Bhagavatam, which includes the Gita and in

which Puranas is the Mahabarata encountered? What is the difference

between the Srimad Bhagavatam and the Bhagavata Purana.

If you could kindly provide the answer to this question you are thanked

in advance.

 

Regards,

B.S.

 

 

 

 

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Dear BS,

 

Your questions

 

I am looking for the answer to the origin of some

scriptures which I understand are part of the Puranas.

Yet I do not know for certain which of the Puranas it

is refered to. I want to know which of the Puranas

contain the Srimad Bhagavatam, which includes the Gita

and in which Puranas is the Mahabarata encountered?

 

My points

 

I believe the scriptures that you are refering to is

the vedas. The vedas was given by the lord himself. In

Srimad Bhagavatham it is stated that tene brahma

hrdaya, Brahma was taught the veads by heart by the

superene Lord. Vedic knowledge was then passed down

thru discpilic succession Eg Brahma sampradaya, Rudra

Sampradaya, Sri Sampradaya and Kumara Sampradaya. In

Gita Krishna states that he is the source of vedas and

from the vedas he is to be known vedais ca savair aham

eva vedaah (check the verse from Gita). In the

begining of the 4th chapter of Gita Krishna clearly

describes these iman vivasvate yogam proktavan .......

 

 

In Dwapara yuga, Srila Vyasa complied the vedas. he

knew that people in kali yuga are manda sumanda matayo

mandah bhagyo hi uparudah or they are living in a

miserable condition so the composed the puranas and

mahabharata. Even after compling all these he was not

happy till he composed the Srimad Bhagavatham.

Bhagavatham is called the maha purana.

 

Gita is part of Mahabaratha (canto 10, Bhisma Parva),

the dialoge between the Suprme Lord Krishna and arjuna

before the commencement of Kurukhestra war. It is the

essence of the vedas. mahabaratha is not a purana but

it is a ithiasa just like valmiki ramayana.

Mahabaratha is also known as the 5th veda.

 

 

Your Question

 

What is the difference between the Srimad Bhagavatam

and the Bhagavata Purana. If you could kindly

provide the answer to this question you are thanked

in advance.

 

My answer

 

There is no difference between bhagavat Purana and

Srimad Bhagavatham.

 

I do hope it helps.

 

I hope other acaryas from this group can give more

enlightenment.

 

Bala

Beijing, PR China

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