Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 RAJI SRIDHAR <sridharaji on 11/23/2001 12:09:14 AM bhakti-list cc: (unknown) Pranams to all Can anyone tell me more about 1. "Na me bhakta pranassyati" 2. How to do "Pavai Nonbu" raji sridhar ======================== SrI: SrImathE Ramanujaya namah: Dear Smt Raji, The paavai nOnbu was explained very beautifully by SrI Anand Karalapakkam Swamy about three years ago in the list. I am attaching below for your enjoyment and ready reference. Trust its helps. Regards Namo narayana adiYen =================================================== In Srimad BhAgavatham, Sukabrahma maharishi says that gOpIs observed "kAtyAyani nOnbu" wherein they made the image of pArvati dEvi through sand (at the banks of river yamunA) and worshipped her in the early morning and prayed to obtain Krishnar as their husband. The objective of AndAL and Her friends is also the same thing and is also true that AndAL transformed Herself as a gOpI. Did then AndAL adopt kAtyAyani nOnbu ?? All the paramaikAntins will in one voice say that AndAL didn't observe kAtyAyani nOnbu. Though the desired objective is very good, praying to anya dEvata (demi-gods) for that is a _big_ minus point. ParamaikAntins never ever pray to anya dEvatAs(*), whatever their objective may be. For paramaikAntins, Sriman nArAyaNA Himself is the upAyam and the upEyam. They act as a pati vrata sthrI and do not pray to anya dEvatAs. This is also very important for those who are desirous to obtain moksham and perform eternal kainkaryam to the divya dampati at Sri VaikuNTham. Needless to say, AndAL is a paramaikAntin. So, AndAL didn't pray to pArvati (**) and the prayer was to PerumAL Himself, to attain Him ( "nArAyaNanE nammakkE paRai tharuvAn", "unnakkE nAm At cheivOm" etc). Then, which nOnbu did AndAL adopt, if it was not kAtyAyani nOnbu ? This issue was settled once for all by the great mahAn "abhinava dESika Uttamoor vAtsya VeerarAghavArya mahAdESikan" in swAmi's wonderful commentry (prabandha rakshai) on thiruppAvai. Uttamoor swAmi gives the reference to skAnda purANam wherein the mArghazhi nOnbu (mArgaseersha mAhAtmyam) is explained by PerumAL Himself to chaturmukha brahmA. PerumAL says that the mArgazhi nOnbu is a very great vrattam; but dEvAs inorder to confuse people( so that everyone won't observe it in the correct way and thus won't proceed that quickly to Sri VaikuNTham) have introduced many fake-mArgazhi vrattams. PerumAL explains about the actual mArgazhi nOnbu. Herein, snAnam, wearing of OordhvapuNdram, tuLasi mAlai etc are also mentioned. Thirumanjanam to PerumAL with the blow of conch will make the pitrus (ancestors) attain svargam. Charity of cow, food and performance of Uttsavam to PerumAL durinmg mArgazhi pournami will immensely please Him ( AndAL refers to them as "nAtkAlE neerAdi", "aiyamum pichchiyum ANdanaiyum kaikAtti,"pAnchajanyamE pOlvana SankangaL", "ambaramE, thaNNeerE, soRE yaRam seiyyum" etc ). PerumAL gives a case study as that of gOpIs at gOkulam, who observed this nOnbu ( by taking bath early in the morning, performed worship, offered Him food (pongal) etc) and obtained Himself. When Lord BrahmA asked PerumAL about the place at which this nOnbu has to be observed, PerumAL answered "MathurA" !! This is the biggest problem with PerumAL. He is the one who also told emperumAnAr to be at SriRangam itself. This confused all the Sri VaishnavAs as to whether everyone has to pack themselves and settle at Sri Rangam OR is it allright to stay at other divya dEsams etc. SwAmi Desikan in Srimad Rahasya Traya sAram explains the thiru uLLam of PerumAL that "Srirangam" is only a upalakshanam and that one can stay at any place where ParamaikAntins(prapannAs) are present and discussing about the glories of PerumAL. Eventhough PerumAL will let out such statements, AndAL won't. She made an amendment to the statement of PerumAL, since it is not possible for everyone to go to mathurA and perform the nOnbu. AndAL thus said "yengum thiru aruL pettru inburuvar" and one can perform this nOnbu from anywhere. In skAnda purANam, it is not explicitly said that rain will be one of the results of this vrattam. But, for AndAL, the nonbu that she observes should result in rain also (as per the wishes of village people). Uttamoor swAmi says that may be AndAL knew of some pramAnam by which gOpIs used this nOnbu (which can grant many a wishes) to result in rain OR AndAL Herself had some sAkshAtkAram of some aspects of the nOnbu OR introduced some of Her own. Thus, this nOnbu is _not_ that of kAtyAyani vrattam and is very much different from it. (*): Names of anya dEvatAs do appear in sandhyAvandanam, yaj~nAs etc. But paramaikAntins do not worship anya dEvatAs then also. They take the primary meaning of those names which refers to Sriman nArAyaNA, the parabrahman, and thus worship Him only. But, in certain circumstances, a specific anya dEvata is supposed to be meditated upon with the antaryAmi as nArAyaNA - this appears in sandhyAvandanam ; there are also brahma vidyAs like this. Since these are sAstric injunctions which one has to perform while adopting it, there is nothing wrong - still the worship is for the antaryAmi only. But, there is no sAstric injunction to pray to anya dEvatA for obtaining krishna etc. So, paramaikAntins will not adopt it, even as a prayer to the antaryAmi(nArAyaNA pervading the body of pArvati dEvi and present along with the jIvAtmA having the post of pArvati dEvi) of pArvati dEvi. what to speak of praying to her directly !! (**) : In nAchchiyAr thirumozhi, AndAL doesn't pray to the anya dEvata manmadhan, rather to the manmadha manmadhan kannapirAn (krishnar). Krishnar is the kAma dEvan. Only paramaikAntins can understand the thiru uLLam of AndAL. Refer to Uttamoor swAmi's vyAkyAnam(ie.commentry) for a detailed discussion on these issues and study Thiruppavai at the feet of AchArya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2001 Report Share Posted November 30, 2001 Hari Hari, The mail from Shree. Madava Vasudevan on Pavai Nombu is very good. But, Adiyen would like to add a few words in this matter. It will have to be that way only for a Shree Vaishnavan, i.e., being like a PATIVRATAA stree or as PRAHLAADAN in his Sharanaagati to Shreemannaaraayanan. Also, Sharanaagati to Shreemannaaraayanan itself is the SAADHANAM and PHALAM. This infact can be the only identity for a Shree Vaishnavan. But, Adiyen feels that, in maintaining that PAATIVRATYAM, we Shree Vaishnavites, should not keep telling repeatedly again and again, that we do not worship other DEMI-GODS. Adiyen feels, by telling so and using that word (DEMI-GOD), we are in a way showing our disrespect to Devataantarangal. Infact, Adiyen feels, Shriyahpati Shreemannaaraayanan would be happy to see us making a respectful Pranaamams to Devataantarangal. Adiyen feels, SwaSwaami Nishte, always shines better, when it also includes respect to AnyaSwamins. Adiyen may kindly be excused, if out of AlpaBuddhi, has come out with comments / remarks which is hurting anyone. Adiyen is apologising for any such thing. Hari Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2001 Report Share Posted December 1, 2001 SrI: SrImathE Gopaladesika mahadesikaya namah: Dear Sri Mohan, Thanks for your appreciation. The credit goes to Sri Anand for his original writing. Regarding your comments on showing disprespect to devathAntharangaL (demi gods).. Srivaishnavas should not and do not show any disrespect to others.. The most important Srivaishnava dharma is the develeopment of unflinching, unconditional and unshakeable faith that only Sriman Narayanan (VishNu) as the Supreme Being (Paratatthvam), as the Saviour (who grants and can grant mOksham- Rakshakan). thios would imply that a Srivaishnava does not worship any one other than VishNu. Thirumangai AzhwAr goes to the extent of saying that he would not even associtae himself with those who worship others as Gods... Please note that this view is not be construed as dogmatism because it arises from the philosophic doctrine of Ultimate Reality; (as declared by Sage Veda Vyasa.. sathyam; sathyam.. punas sathyam..)It also does not amount to condemnation or disprespect to other deities.. VishNu is the Only One who can grant mOksham and is mentioned by Siva to Thirumazhisai AzhwAr; Sage MarkaNdEyar.. The most important goal for human beings is to get away from samsaaric afflictions, and knowing fully well of JivAThmAs' swarUpam of being eternal servant and sEshan to the Lord, its natural for jIvan to serve the Lord.. (sa Eka:- only One- who is VishNu). A Srivaishnava should show veneration to others since they constitute the vibUthis or glories of VishNu.. VishNu as all pervasive (vibhu) and inner controller of all that exists in the Universe is the antharAthmA of other deities also. The GitA reiterates that the wworshippers of other deities with bhakthi worship only the Supreme Being (VishNu)(Chapter 9.23) (Reference: from Sri U Ve SMS Chari Swamin's book on Vaishnavism) Regards Narayana Narayana NarayaNa dAsan madhavakkannan _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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