Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 Respected memebers of the Group, Namo Naraayana, I shall be very thankful if my following doubt is clarified by the learned members : The celestial guardians of the gate at Vaikuntam Jaya and Vijaya had requested the Lord Srimannarayana that they prefer to reach the Vaikuntam after three janmas as asuraas.These are (1) the Hiranyaksha, Hiranyakashipu (2) Raavana , Kumbah karna and (3)Sisupaala ,Jaraasandha. 1)Was there any background for them to have prefered three janmas and not one instead which is more easier? 2) Did they have any knowledge/link to the fact that the Lord promised Aaditi and Kasyapa that He would be born to them thrice as their son(in this context the vaamana aavatar may be excluded and only the other two i.e Rama and Krishna avaatars amy be considered) 2) I have been told that each of the above asura typified a particular arishad varga (kaama, krodha etc..). Can any one clarify which aasura manifested which quality? Thanking one and all, With pranamams, B.Sobha. Great stuff seeking new owners in Auctions! http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2002 Report Share Posted February 4, 2002 The Celestial Guardians were offered 7 janmas as devotees or 3 janmas as enemies of the Lord. The blessing in disguise was that their death would be at the hands of the Lord Himself. Rather than being separated from the Lord for 7 generations, they preferred to be born as enemies to the Lord for 3 generations so that they could be with the Lord faster. Ranganath - bath sobha bhakti-list Monday, February 04, 2002 2:42 PM Doubt Respected memebers of the Group, Namo Naraayana, I shall be very thankful if my following doubt is clarified by the learned members : The celestial guardians of the gate at Vaikuntam Jaya and Vijaya had requested the Lord Srimannarayana that they prefer to reach the Vaikuntam after three janmas as asuraas.These are (1) the Hiranyaksha, Hiranyakashipu (2) Raavana , Kumbah karna and (3)Sisupaala ,Jaraasandha. 1)Was there any background for them to have prefered three janmas and not one instead which is more easier? 2) Did they have any knowledge/link to the fact that the Lord promised Aaditi and Kasyapa that He would be born to them thrice as their son(in this context the vaamana aavatar may be excluded and only the other two i.e Rama and Krishna avaatars amy be considered) 2) I have been told that each of the above asura typified a particular arishad varga (kaama, krodha etc..). Can any one clarify which aasura manifested which quality? Thanking one and all, With pranamams, B.Sobha. Great stuff seeking new owners in Auctions! http://auctions. ----------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2002 Report Share Posted February 5, 2002 Dear Sobha, With regards to your questions about Jaya and Vijaya, allow me to provide some answers based on my what I have read and heard. When the four kumaras (Sanaka, Sananda, Sanatana and Sanatkumara)the sons of Lord Brahma wanted to visit Lord Vishnu in Vaikunta. They managed to pass through 6 gates but were stopped at the 7th by the two door keepers named Jaya and Vijaya. The four kumaras were angered by door keepers for not letting them pass through the 7th gate and cursed that they would fall from the vaikunta into the material world. At that time Lord Vishnu with Laksmi Devi arrived and the Lord himself apologized to the four kumaras for the faults of Jaya and Vijaya because as the lord said a wrong action commited by a servant leads people in general to blame the master ( yan namani ca grhnati loko bhrtye krtagasi……..) Jaya and Vijaya accepted the curse. They asked the lord to give them the opportunity to never forget him for a moment. So Lord Vishnu gave them a choice, 7 births as his devotee or 3 births as his enemy. Jaya and Vijaya accepted the 3 births as they wanted to minimize their separation from the Lord. Lord Vishnu assured them in each birth they would constantly remember him as an enemy and he would personally descend to kill them. So in accordance to the curse of the four kumaras, Jaya Vijaya appeared in each of the yuga as the lord’s enemy. In the satya yuga they were born of the sage Kasyapa Muni and Diti, as Hiranaksya and Hiranakasyapu. The Lord appeared as Lord Varaha to kill Hiranaksya and he killed Hiranksyapu in form of Lord Narsimhadeva. In treta-yuga they were born as Ravana and Kumbhakarna and the lord appeared as son of Dasaratha Maharaj as Lord Ramachandra killed both of them.In the dvapara yuga both Jaya and Vijaya appeared as Sisupala and Dantavakra (not as Jaraashanda as you have mentioned) and the Lord Krisna killed them. According to some acaryas, the cursing Jaya and Vijaya was the lord’s desire. Without the Lord sanction, nothing can happen. The Lord also has desires (correct me if I am wrong), for example to fight. When he wants to fight with someone, he has to find an enemy. For this He enacts His pastimes with His devotees in the material world, since combat is not possible in the spiritual world. And to participate in this pastime, the devotees Jaya and Vijaya served the Lord by engaging him to fight them. Both Jaya and Vijaya also said to have descended in the Kali yuga as brothers Jagai and Madhai and they were delivered by Chaitanya Mahaprabu by making them the devotees of the Lord. For more details, I suggest you to read Srimad Bhagavatham 3rd Canto, Chapter 16. Other acaryas/bhagavthas can provide lights to Sobha’s other questions. Bala Penang, Malaysia http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/District/9622/resbala.html --- bath sobha <sbath2000 wrote: > Respected memebers of the Group, > > Namo Naraayana, > > I shall be very thankful if my following doubt is > clarified by the learned members : > > The celestial guardians of the gate at Vaikuntam > Jaya > and Vijaya had requested the Lord Srimannarayana > that > they prefer to reach the Vaikuntam after three > janmas > as asuraas.These are (1) the Hiranyaksha, > Hiranyakashipu (2) Raavana , Kumbah karna and > (3)Sisupaala ,Jaraasandha. > > 1)Was there any background for them to have prefered > three janmas and not one instead which is more > easier? > > 2) Did they have any knowledge/link to the fact > that > the Lord promised Aaditi and Kasyapa that He would > be > born to them thrice as their son(in this context the > vaamana > aavatar may be excluded and only the other two i.e > Rama and Krishna avaatars amy be considered) > > 2) I have been told that each of the above asura > typified a particular arishad varga (kaama, krodha > etc..). > Can any one clarify which aasura manifested which > quality? > > Thanking one and all, > > With pranamams, > B.Sobha. > > > > > Great stuff seeking new owners in Auctions! > http://auctions. > > > ----------------------------- > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - > To Post a message, send it to: > bhakti-list > Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Greetings! http://greetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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