HARI AND GREEN COLOR

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sri parthasarathy thunai

srimathe ramanujaya namaha

dear bhagavatals,

There is quite a lot of discussion going on the

topic of hari's green color.Though adiyen has no

knowledge to take part in the discussion I would like

to say a few points.These quotes are surely not

pramanams or anything to add points to for or against

in the discussion.This is something a sort of

information i would like to put forth in the feet of

the great scholars and learned people taking part in

the discussion.

I happened to hear Bharathiar 's song "kakai

chiralinile" today and on hearing the following lines

wanted to put to the sight of the bhagavatals in the

discussion.

"PARKUM MARANGALELLAM NANDALALA

UNDAN PACCHI NIRAM THONDRUDADA NANDALALA"

 

Here bharathiar combines both arguments

1.The green color of hari is due to Rukmani who gets

the green color due to the richness of the trees and

the floras.So on looking at the trees he is reminded

of Hari

2.Here instead of saying iam reminded of Hari or

sriman narayana he says undam pacchi niram thorudada

NANADALALA refering to Krishna avatara.so we see his

anubhavam is also with krishna avatara who is none

other than narayana himself"krishnastu bhagavan

swayam"

There is also one sloka(i think it is desika

strotram) though Iam unable to quote the correct

slokam,it says whenever bhagvan takes birth his

consert sridevi also takes birth in different

forms.When he was rama she came as sita(ekapatni

viradhan),when he was in gokulam(nanadalala) she was

radha(nappinni according to our alwars) and when he

was in dwaraka as dwarakadesh she was rukmini

since krishna is supposed to be a srilolan not like

rama who was ekapatni virathan.Names may differ but

the vastu remains the same.Though in avatars the god

doesnt show all his kalyana gunas still he is "poorna

Brahma Sanathanam".The same wholes good for the pirati

also.It may be sita,radha or rukmini the vastu

remains the same.

These are just my humble opinions.though I have the

knowledge like the other bhagavatals i just wanted to

put forward what ever came to my low mind.The mistakes

or apacharams may kindly me forgived my the learned

Bhagavatals

 

adiyen ramanuja dasyai

sumithra varadarajan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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sri parthasarathy thunai

srimathe ramanujaya namaha

sri anand

 

I am sorry.As i have told in my last mail I am not a

scholar or nor do I possess much knoledge in these

topics.But still let me put forth some more points.

In ramayana,When lakshmana is asked who he was he

says if u ask rama this question he will say iam his

brother but according to me iam his dasan.So there is

two ways of seeing things.for the same thing two

people have two opinions.

Radha may not be considered as one of the conserts

by our vaishnavite scholars but in krishnas view as

seen in rasa lila in bhagavatam radha is supposed to

be on the top of all the gopis.Even when he disappears

leaving all the gopis he takes radha with him.As

stated by him in geetha "ye yetha mam prapathyante

tham thathyva bajamyaham" I will be as people wish me

to me,He will surely take radha as his consert as she

wished to be.No one can deny it.

When emperuman shri krishna had to go to mathura

leaving all gopis he specially feels leaving radha and

going and his feeling remains throughout.THis is

understood from his conversation with uthava after

which he sends uthave to brindavanam.Krishna then says

no one is so close to him as the gopis(and head of

them shree radhe).So radha has a nithya sambandam with

krishna.

Again emperuman is more close to his bhakthas than

even his piratimars.that is why nachiyar likes to be

in the alwar ghosthi even after attaining the nachiyar

pathavi.emperumans love or attachment towards the

bhakthas is proved in periyalwars pasuram"than adiyar

thirathagathu thamaraiyalakilum..........enadiyar

aduseiyar"Here sri periyavachanpillai when commenting

to the word enadiyar says that piratti who is supposed

to be full of arul if in case says a dhosam about an

adiyar then emperuman says enadiyar adu seiyar and he

supports his bhakthas.In this place when emperuman

says enadiyar "enge piratiyay vilakugirar".That is

till now perumal and piratti didnt have any thing

differnt for each other what ever was perumals it

belonged to piratti also they shared everything in

common.But now since piratti said a dhosam of his

adiyar(even if the adiyar is truly full of

dhosams)emperuman splits piratti from him and says

enadiyar instead of namadiyar and brings the devotee

closer to him.

from this we see that bhakthas have a nithya

sambandam with perumal inspite of the innumerous

dhosams they have.And no one can reject the gopis to

be the best among the bhaktha ghosthi and radha being

their head can never be separated from bhagavan shree

krishna here in the view of radha who wants to be with

krishna always(akalakillane errayum) and also

krishna's view as he says to radha that he will appear

before her whenever she thinks of him since radha is

always in the thoughts of krishna how can krishna

leave her and go.So their sambandam is for ever.

 

Due to my lack of knowledge this whole mail may be a

error still i beg the pardon of the learned people

since i am unable to control myself from putting

forward what i really feel.

 

Sorry for all the mistakes and apacharams committed

knowingly and unknowlingly

 

adiyen ramanuja dasyai

sumithra varadarajan

 

 

 

 

Anand K Karalapakkam <kgk wrote:

> SrI:

> namO nArAyaNa!

>

> Smt Sumithra :

>

> Nappinnai and Radha are not the same personality.

> The former is an avatAram of nIlA pirATTi and

> the latter is a baddha jIvAtma. In

> YAdavAbhyudayam,

> clear distinction is made by SwAmi DESikan.

>

> There is a VishNu purANam verse to the effect

> and also a verse in SrI-Stuti reg avatArams of

> pirATTi

> and PerumAL.

>

> aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

> Anand.