Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 Dear Bhagavathas - Could some one tell me how the name azhwar came to be associated with the azhwars ? Yours humbly Rajaram V. Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 :Om Namo Narayanaya: Dear Sri Rajaram, The meaning of the word Azhwar is "Protector". Azhwars came to this earth when Bhakti was at the end stage in all of us. They reestablished roots to the devotion on this earth when it was in end stage. Thats why they got the name Azhwars. If they were not there people may not have faith in god by this time. Dasan ~Balaji Rajaram Venkataramani [v_raja_ram] Monday, February 25, 2002 7:57 AM bhakti-list Azhwars Dear Bhagavathas - Could some one tell me how the name azhwar came to be associated with the azhwars ? Yours humbly Rajaram V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2002 Report Share Posted February 25, 2002 SrI: SrImathE Ramanujaya namah: Dear Sri Rajaram, AzhwAr (a Tamil word) means "one who immerses himself..". We too are AzhwArs (we have immersed ourselves in samsaaric affliction) and we run after sensual, transitory pleasures and run amuck on materialistic pursuits. AzhwArs have immersed themselves deeply in the Bhagavth anubhavam, forgetting (rathar ignoring) all other vishayam.. Trust it answers your question. Regards Namo Narayana aDiyEn ----Original Message Follows---- Rajaram Venkataramani <v_raja_ram bhakti-list Azhwars Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:26:53 -0800 (PST) Dear Bhagavathas - Could some one tell me how the name azhwar came to be associated with the azhwars ? Yours humbly Rajaram V. _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2002 Report Share Posted February 25, 2002 The meaning given by SrI Sadagopan and SrI Madhavakannan correlate. But I see SrI Balaji has given a completely different meaning as protector. While this is an appropriate glorification, is it justified literarily ? My original question remains unanswered in part and I realize because the question is ambiguous. However, thanks the ambiguity in my question, the opportunity to hear the descripion of the meaning of the name and glimpse in to the elevated state of pure devotion they are in came about. Let me restate my original question : The azhwars lived in different times. How is that the twelve were chosen to be named so ? Who did that and when ? Yours humbly Rajaram V. Madhavakkannan V <srivaishnavan wrote: SrI: SrImathE Ramanujaya namah: Dear Sri Rajaram, AzhwAr (a Tamil word) means "one who immerses himself..". We too are AzhwArs (we have immersed ourselves in samsaaric affliction) and we run after sensual, transitory pleasures and run amuck on materialistic pursuits. AzhwArs have immersed themselves deeply in the Bhagavth anubhavam, forgetting (rathar ignoring) all other vishayam.. Trust it answers your question. Regards Namo Narayana aDiyEn ----Original Message Follows---- Rajaram Venkataramani bhakti-list Azhwars Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:26:53 -0800 (PST) Dear Bhagavathas - Could some one tell me how the name azhwar came to be associated with the azhwars ? Yours humbly Rajaram V. _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 SrI: SrImathE ramanujaya namah: Dear Sri Rajaram, Possibly sri NathamunigaL would have addressed them as AzhwArs as he was the one who compiled the pAsurams. AzhwArs really and very deeply immersed themselves in their devotion and bhakti towards the Lord Sriya: Pathi Sriman Narayanan. The AzhwArs are reported to be incarnations of NithyasUris of Sri Vaikuntam, namely, the weapons, the Vanamaali, the GarudA, et al. They lived like human beings and burst out bhakti laden great works for the sake of humanity. The works of Alwars stood mysteriously a replica of the Vedas themselves and therefore came to be known as Dravida Veda. In fact, there is a view that even the great Rishis are no match to the greatness of the Alwars because these Rishis got their 'jnAnam' ( wisdom) as a result of their own actions of 'spiritual merit' ( Punyam) whereas the wisdom of the Alwars was the direct result of the Lord's divine grace and therefore called ' Divyam'. It is because of this that the works of Alwars is called ' Divya Prabandham' are 4000 poems (pAsurams). These works of AzhwArs are non-paralleled in every sense- be it in sentiment, style or syntax.They take even a casual reader on a guided tour into the esoteric exegesis of the Vedas without offending the provisions of exclusions and prohibitions enjoined in the study of the Vedas in original. (from Sri Anbil Ramaswamy's write up) AzhwAr's paasurams (poems) called naalaayira dhivyap prabhandam composed by twelve AzhwArs.The paasurams were collected and brought out by one of the much revered Sri vaishnava AchAryAs called Sriman Naathamuni. By the time of sriman Naathamuni (9th century A.D.) the AzhwAr paasurams were not lost or unknown. It was by divine grace of Sriman Narayanan that Sriman Naathamuni came to know of the Tamil poems praising Lord Vishnu. It is believed that Sriman Naathamuni heard some devotees visiting his home town of VeeranaaraayaNapuram (present day kaattu mannaarkudi near Mayilaadurthurai or Mayavaram) singing a few (11) Tamil songs starting with "aaraa amudhE adiyEn udalam" and ending with "... kurugoor sadagOpan kuzhalil maliyach sonna Or aayiratthuL ippatthum, mazhalai theera vallaar kaamar maanEy nOkkiyarkE." (NammAzhwAr's Thiruvaaymozhi 5.8.1 - 5.8.11) Sriman Naathamuni was greatly excited and enchanted with the exquisite beauty of the poems. He approached the devotees and enquired about its origin. The ending of the 11 poems, "aayiratthuL ippatthu,"(means this ten of the thousand) suggested that there are many more such poems (may be thousand?). This possibility intrigued Sriman Naathamuni. Unfortunately, the devotees were unaware of any other poems besides the eleven they had just finished reciting. However, they suggested to Sriman Naathamuni that he may try enquiring in the town of thiruk kurugoor, present day AzhwAr thiru nagari near thirunelvEli. So he set out to travel from kaattumannarkudi to thiruk kurugoor, a long journey indeed in his time. There he found one paraangusa daasar. From him, Sriman Naathamuni learnt 11 more paasurams called kaNNinuN sirutthaambu. These were composed by Madhurakavi AzhwAr and all 11 paasurams are in praise of kurugoor SadagOpan (NammAzhwAr). Sriman Naathamuni was excited to have doubled his collection. But this only whetted his desire to seek out the more than 1,000, promised in the first set of paasurams he fell in love with at his home town. Paraangusa daasar suggested that he repeatedly recite this great kaNNinuN sirutthaambu (sung in praise of Sri Sadagopan- NammAzhwAr) in the hope of pleasing the Lord. Sriman Naathamuni took his advice sincerely and recited it about 12,000 times! It is said that NammAzhwAr was impressed with Sriman Naathamuni's persistence and appeared before him. NammAzhwAr was so impressed that he revealed to Sriman Naathamuni not just the 1102 paasurams of his own "thiruvaay mozhi", but also all the rest of the paasurams composed by the other eleven AzhwArs. >From this, we may deduce that it is Sriman Naathamuni, who gathered the Tamil treatise (these 4000 peoms) praising Lord Vishnu composed by the twelve AzhwArs. Sriman naadhamuni called this collection of paasurams or prabhandams naalaayira dhivya prabhandam or draavida vEdham. Due perhaps to historical reasons, much of these treasures had been lost to humanity for a while. It was given to the great Naathamuni to retrieve and revivify them in their pristine glory for the benefit of posterity. The long line of the lineage of preceptors who followed him kept the torch burning and handed them over to successive generations . We can justifiably be proud of the rich heritage . It is our duty, therefore, to familiarize ourselves with the lives and works of these preceptors , the least we can do as a token of our gratitude for the invaluable treasures bequeathed to us. _______________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 Dear Devotee, It is my understanding that the definition provided by Sri Sadagopan and Sri Madhavakannan is more in line with the accepted definition of the term "AzhwAr." It is understood that this title, which only really applies to twelve blessed souls, is derived from the Tamil root "Azh," which means "deep." The term itself - which the noted Professor of SriVaishnavam, Dr. Vasudha Narayanan, states was probably first used in SriVaishnava literature by ThirukurukaipirAn pillAn - is used to describe the mystical experience of the twelve saints, who "dove deep - immersed themselves, if you will - into their love for Sriman Narayana." Analogies of bathing are used quite often in AzhwAr poetry to describe this bliss of devotional love, and therefore it seems rather apt for them. The number of azhwArs and their hymns was revelealed to us by our first achAryan, Sri Nathamunigal, in the 10th Century C.E. through a mystical vision that he had of Sri NammAzhwAr, the greatest among the AzhwArs and the only one among these mystical saints who is regarded to be part of our achArya paramparai (lineage of teachers). Through this vision, all of the 4000 verses of the azhwArs' poetry were compiled by Sri Nathamuni, and later ordered, formalized for ritual, and set to the unique musical tone that we hear traditional scholars chant to this day. While the history of India is filled with many saints, and many verses to many deities, what makes the AzhwArs' poetry so unique is that it clearly parallels the vEda in its content, and at times, even goes to the point of clarifying the mysticism of the vEda itself. Since the vEdas are considered complete, so too are these Tamil verses in clarifying them and in revealing divine truths in a vernacular that is available to anyone. Consequently, the number of the verses in the divya prabhandam and the number of AzhwArs remains constant. I hope this helps. adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan Mohan Rajaram Venkataramani wrote: > Let me restate my original question : > The azhwars lived in different times. How is that the twelve were chosen to be named so ? Who did that and when ? > Yours humbly > Rajaram V. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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