Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 SrI: SrImatE rAmAnujAya namaH SrImatE nigamAnta mahAdESikAya namaH namO nArAyaNa! Dear bhaktas, Some months back, Sri Krishna Kalale posed this question reg JIvAtma SAkshAtkAram being a pre-requisite to ParamAtma sAkshAtkAram. The following was my response to him. More can be added ....But, due to lack of time, I am simply reproducing the earlier posting. I hope that this will reduce the workload of others who try to explain this issue in the light of Bhagavad GItA. As mentioned earlier by SrI Krishna Kalale (Kashyap), Sri UtthamUr Swami's tippaNi on this issue is very important. It can understood quite well, with the comprehension of the following. Also, the case of upAsana (bhakti-yoga) with change in meditational focus unto jIvAtma as SarIra of ParamAtma is not considered by me - The answer to it also will be on similar lines. ---------------- > I need an answer to the following question. > > As per upanisads can it be established unmistakably, that > atmasakshatkaram is absolutely needed for bhakti yoga? If so > provide detailed quotes and these quotes should be unmistakable > and generally agreeable to wider audience, (in the sense strongly > provable.) In SrImad RTS, SwAmi DESikan in the 9th Ch on different upAyas (upAya-vibhAga adhikAra), crisply highlights the important characteristics of Karma, Jn~Ana and Bhakti Yogas. In the concluding part of swAmi's note on Jn~Ana yoga, it is stated that jIvAtma-darSana is essential for starting bhakti yoga, with the analogy of a RatNa inside a cloth. In essence, the siddhAnta implied is that during the bhakti-yoga (UpAsana), the ParamAtma has to be meditated upon as one's (jIvAtma's) aatma ie.SarIri. <<Ref discussion from Bramha SUtras at the end>> Three things are to be noted : JIvAtma-the upAsaka,ParamAtma-the object of upAsana and the SarIra-SarIri bhAva- the binding relationship between them. If the jIvAtma (upAsaka) needs to meditate upon the ParamAtma as its SarIri, it presupposes that the upAsaka needs to have full-realization of what he is actually. In the upAsana "ParamAtma, MY SarIri", the "MY" component is there. This upAsana is incomplete, without the full knowledge of "I" - ie.jIvAtma sAkshAtkAram (*). Hence, JIvAtma-SAkshAtkAram is absolutely necessary for starting bhakti-yoga. (*) : During jIvAtma-sAkshAtkAram, jIvAtma as being essentially jn~Ana which is aNu,blemishless, bliss etc is fully realized. JIvAtma being a sEsha {Or SarIra} is not meditated upon in the dhyAna yoga for attaing jIvAtma-sAkshAtkAram. That characteristic is added during upAsana. Please refer to the archives on a posting on Karma,Jn~Ana and Bhakti Yogas for further information. SrI UtthamUr SwAmi, in his commentary to SrImad RTS cites one text as being in KaThavalli : "adhyAtma-yoga-adhigamEna dEvam matva...". It can be easily spotted in KaThopanishad - Second VallI of the first adhyAya - which includes the qualifications for the seeker of moksha. The above cited text is in the mantra (1.2.12), which is the pointed answer in a nut-shell by Yama to Nachiketas's third query. Next mantra is also a part of that answer. tam durdarSam gUDam anupravishTam guhAhitam gahvarEshTham purANam | adhyAtma-yoga-adhigamanEna dEvam matvA dhIr(aH)O harshasOkou jahAti|| SrI Ra~ngarAmAnuja Muni explains that adhyAtma-yoga refers to realization/knowledge of the jIvAtma. The first line is filled with adjectives of the ParamAtma - dEva. In essence, this mantra states that, the wise man (jIvAtma) discards both pleasure and sorrow {of material world} after knowing the Supreme-Self - which is difficult to be perceived, un-revealing due to avidya in the form of karma/action, entered all beings, dwelling in the cave of heart, indwelling and beginingless. This state is obtained "Through the Realization attained by the meditation upon oneself ie.jIvAtma" - Meaning of "adhyAtma-yoga-adhigamEna". In the commentary to the next mantra, Upanishad BhAshyakAra elaborates on the justification of the meaning ascribed to adhyAtma-yoga in mantra 12 - Quite lengthy for this article if needs to be fully explained. Please go through both the pUrvapaksham and siddhAntam here ; Refer the corresponding adhikaraNa in SrI-BhAshya for additional info. More info can be had from the commentary to subsequent mantras also : Please go through them as well, since the discussion on mantra 12 still carries on. Bramha SUtras on this issue : In the first pAda of Fourth adhyAya, the nature of upAsana is stated atfirst. The first two sUtras are on the repetitive nature (aavruti) of the upAsana. The third sUtra, which is the only sUtra of "aatmatvOpAsana-adhikaraNam" is : aatmA-iti tu-upagacchanti grAhyanti cha | aatma-iti tu : << UpAsana upon ParamAtma has to be>> Only as <one's> Self (aatma). "tu" is for affirmation/ certainity. upagacchanti : The upAsakas of the past have done it that way. grAhyanti cha : As understood from Upanishads. SrI-BhAshyam and its commentaries are quite elaborate and are flooded with many pramANas and explanations. In essence, the upAsana has to be in the form of "aham bramhAsmi" etc. Many such sAmAnAdhikaraNya Sruti texts are being cited to this effect {ie. "aham" etc refers to ParamAtma-the SarIri of the jIvAtma}. As stated earlier, meditating ParamAtma as being one's aatma presuposses the upAsaka be fully realized of oneself {JIvAtma SAkshAtkAram}. The corresponding AdhikaraNa-SArAvali verses for this single SUtra are from 444 to 448 (Totally Five). Lots of info are available in its commentaries as well. > As per gita, > > Is atmasakshataram absolutely necessary for one to start bhakti > yoga? PramANas for JIvAtma-SAkshAtkAram to be essential for bhakti-yoga : In the last adhyAya (18th), Lord KrishNa wonderfully sums up the essence of his teachings through the verses 51-56. They are regarding the paths of karma,jn~Ana and bhakti yoga, and their inter-relationships in attaining Him. Through the verses 51 to 53, BhagavAn describes various characteristics of a person, endowed with which and by performing aatma-anubhavam (SAntaH), he becomes eligible to attain the "Bramha-bhAva" : ".......SAntaH bramhabhUyAya kalpatE" (18.53). Here, "Bramha-BhAva" is not one's attainment of being Bramhan, as advaitins might think, since in the very next verse, further attainment of Para-Bhakti towards BhagavAn is stated. bramhabhUtaH prasannAtmA na Sochati na kA~nshati | samaH sarvEshu bhUtEshu madbhaktim labhatE parAm || (18.54) In essence (from BhAshyam and SrI UtthamUr SwAmi's brief Tamil Commentary}, it states : bramha-bhUtaH : As one experiensing oneself (jIvAtma-sAkshAtkAram), also with the nature of being a SEsha to Me, prasanna-AtmA : one with blemishless svarUpa having controlled various vAsanAs (previous imprints/instincts), na SOchati : neither grieves for the loss of other things except Myself, na kA~nshati : nor craves for any other object except Myself. sarvEshu Regarding all beings alike - that all these are not bhUtEshu : his object of attainment, including the self samaH {jIvAtma}, labhatE : one attains parAm bhakti : para-bhakti unto Me - the BhagavAn. Also, in the 12th adhyAya, which is "Steps for Bhakti-Yoga" as pointed out by SrI UtthamUr SwAmi in his Sanskrit TippaNi, we have pramANa to this effect. Lord KrishNa basically gives the reverse order of spiritual path - explaining bhakti yoga at first and then prescribes its previous stage of spiritual sAdhana for those who can't perform bhakti yoga of that order, again its previous stage of sAdhana for those who are not capable of it and so on. One of the main issues in starting the bhakti-yoga is the "love" factor. Even during his days of karma-yoga, the yogi loved PerumAL and proceeded to the stage of jIvAtma sAkshAtkAram also. But, the excessive amount of love with which bhakti-yoga needs to be performed might make the yogi spend some more time in various bhagavad anubhavams and kai~nkaryams before proceeding further to bhakti-yoga or upAsana proper. In the verse 12.9, "abhyAsa yoga" is prescribed for such yogis who haven't yet developed that excessive love for PerumAL to start bhakti yoga. "abhyAsa yoga" is the repetitive rememberance of various kalyANa guNas of PerumAL, with *immense love*. If this stage is not attained by the yogi, he is prescribed (in 12.10) to perform various kai~nkaryams. BhAshyakArar lists various self-less kai~nkaryams like construction of temples, laying out temple gardens, lighting up lamps in temples, sweeping/washing the floor of temples, gathering flowers for PerumAL, performance of pUja, performing nAma sa~nkeertanam, glorifying various deeds and kalyANa guNas of PerumAL etc - But to be performed with *great affection*. These same activities can very easily be performed by even the likes of aDiyEn - Its not as difficult as jn~Ana yoga. But, the catch is the "love factor". All these types of kai~nkaryams are to be performed with great affection - Thats the source of difficulty. If the yogi has not reached that stage, Lord KrishNa advises him to resort to aatma yoga ie.jIvAtma sAkshAtkAram. atha-etat-api-aSaktaH-asi kartum mad-yogam-aaSritaH | sarva-karma-phala-tyAgam tataH kuru yat-aatmavAn || (12.11) ie. If you -who has the objective to perform Bhakti-Yoga (mad-Yoga), are unable to perform those as said in 12.10, then perform nishkAma-karma anushTAna (sarva-karma phala tyAgam) with controlled mind (aatmavAn) - to attain the jIvAtma sAkshAtkAram ie.resort to akshara yoga with its pre-requisite of performing nishkAma karma. Infact, BhAshyakAra cites the verses 18.53-54 {explained above} to make us understand the connecting link - 12th ch being in the reverse order of ladder steps from bhakti yoga to downwards and 18th chapter verses in the forward order of salient ladder steps to bhakti yoga. The implication of akshara-yoga {for jIvAtma sAkshAtkaram} in the above verse is easily understood from the next verse (12.12), which is important to our question in hand : SrEyO hi jn~Anam-abhyAsAt jn~AnAt dhyAnam viSishyatE | dhyAnAt karma-phala-tyAgaH tyAgAt-SAntiH-anantaram || (12.12) abhyAsAt jn~Anam SrEyaH : For one incapable of performing the abhyAsa yoga, which demands immense love towards BhagavAn, jIvAtma-sAkshAtkAram (Or realization/knowledge of jIvAtma) is better. jn~AnAt dhyAnam viSishyatE : Better than the imperfect realization or knowledge of the self, is the meditation on the self. dhyAnAt karma-phala-tyAgaH <SrEyAn> : Better than the imperfect meditation of the self, is the performance of nishkAma karma- anushTAna. tyAgAt anantaram SAntiH : By the performance of nishkAma karma- anushTAna, mental purification or mental-peace is attained. Hence, the ladder of sAdhana is extremly clear that jIvAtma sAkshAtkAram is essential for one to proceed towards bhakti yoga. Proceeding to bhakti yoga with imperfect knowledge ie.realization of the self is strictly prohibited by Lord KrishNa. The subsequent verses (12.13-19) describes the characteristics to be imbibed by the devotee who is at the bottom-most stage in performing only the nishkAma karma (has started to perform karma yoga). By the way, please go through these verses witout fail. PerumAL says that He loves the karma yogi with such characteristics - No idea as to whether aDiyEn can obtain such great guNas in this birth! Well, PerumAL cool-ly says that this is the bottom-most step of the spiritual ladder for the bhakti yoga !! Also, in the avatArika (prelude ?) to the 3rd adhyAya on Karma Yoga, BhAshyakAra explains with pramANas from Upanishads that jIvAtma sAkshAtkAram is an a~nga (accessory) for bhakti yoga. For instance, from the teaching of PrajApati in ChAndOgya Up, starting from the text "ya aatmA-apahatapApmA .."(8.7.1), it is evident that jIvAtma-sAkshAtkAram is required for practising bhakti yoga. SrI UtthamUr SwAmi mentioned this as "PrajApati's vAkyas" in the SrImad RTS commentary in support of this doctrine. ---------------------------- Please refer the GIta-bhAshyam and tAt-parya-Chandrika for more details apart from the Upanishad BhAshyam with SrI UtthamUr SwAmi's parishKAra for appropriate texts involved. aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, anantapadmanAbhan alias Anand. kRushNArpaNam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2002 Report Share Posted April 8, 2002 bhakti-list, Anand K Karalapakkam <kgk@m...> wrote: > In SrImad RTS, SwAmi DESikan in the 9th Ch on different > upAyas (upAya-vibhAga adhikAra), crisply highlights the important > characteristics of Karma, Jn~Ana and Bhakti Yogas. In the > concluding part of swAmi's note on Jn~Ana yoga, it is stated that > jIvAtma-darSana is essential for starting bhakti yoga, with the > analogy of a RatNa inside a cloth. I would modify this statement slightly but significantly. I am not certain what Sri Desika says specifically in Srimad Rahasya Traya Saara, but he is very clear on this issue in his commentary on Sri Yamuna's Gitarthasangraha. The position taken there is that while ultimately, the vision of the blissful individual self (jIvAtma-sAkshAtkAra) is definitely prefatory to success in bhakti-yoga and consequent vision of the ParamAtman, such a vision of the individual self is not a *necessary* condition to *beginning* the process of bhakti-yoga. jIvAtma-sAkshAtkAra may occur on the way, but one need not have had total success in karma-yoga or jnAna-yoga before practicing bhakti-yoga in its full form. Sri Desika here draws a distinction between bhakti-yoga itself and para-bhakti, the high state of the contemplative devotional experience when one actually achieves a ceaseless mental calling to mind of the ParamAtman's form. When someone starts bhakti-yoga, he or she may not have had any success in the evenness of mind or the experience of the individual self that constitutes the crown of karma-yoga and jnAna-yoga. However, by the time the bhakti-yogi has arrived at the state of para-bhakti (high bhakti), the vision of the self would have been accomplished as a side effect of the practice of *this* yoga, and not necessarily out of the practice of karma-yoga or jnAna-yoga in their principal elements. Sri Desika makes these comments on Gitarthasangraha (GAS) 25: * Atma-dRSTes trayo 'py ete yoga-dvAreNa sAdhakAH //25// * Any one of these three yogas (karma-yoga, jnAna-yoga, * or bhakti-yoga) can achieve the vision of the individual * self. I do not have Sri Desika's GAS Raksha handy, but I recall the essence of what he says. He himself brings up the question of how bhakti-yoga can achieve the vision of the individual self since it is generally thought that such a vision is a preliminary for the commencement of bhakti-yoga. Sri Desika says that quite clearly, one can engage in forms of bhakti-yoga without having a vision of the self, and that the vision of the self is only propaedeutic to para-bhakti, a very advanced stage of bhakti-yoga. One can engage in common devotional practices with sincere dedication, perform one's daily and occasional religious rites as worship of God, and attempt to contemplate on God directly, and be called a bhakti-yogi. He cites a sentence from Vedarthasangraha in support of this view. For the distinction between the bhakti-yogi and one who is engaged in para-bhakti, well, the Gita itself makes such a distinction when Krishna teaches in chapter 18 that "such a yogi attains para-bhakti to Me" (mad-bhaktim labhate parAm). Drawing further on the various aspirants described in Chapter 12 of the Gita and Sri Ramanuja's bhAshya, Sri Desika points out that such a bhakti-yogi very will achieve the vision of the self as an outgrowth of this yoga, since bhakti-yoga contains jnAna-yoga and karma-yoga as elements (vide GAS 24 "trayAnAm api yogAnAM tribhir anyonya-saMgamaH" -- the three yogas are interdependent). I was quite pleasantly surprised when I first read about this take on bhakti-yoga. To be sure I had understood this correctly, I brought up the issue with Dr. N.S. Anantha Rangacharya. He said while many people are not aware of this aspect of bhakti-yoga, Desika's comments here are absolutely clear and that this "was not a matter of dispute within the tradition". What this means is that: (a) When beginning their spiritual quest, some people engage in karma-yoga, which is selfless action performed as worship of God, with an understanding of the true nature of the individual self. This action takes the form of active compassion, charity, austerity, visiting holy places, scriptural study, yajna, etc. (b) Some others engage in jnAna-yoga, which is contemplative analysis of the nature of the individual self in relation to the world and God. JnAna-yoga is essentially attempts at meditation on the nature of the self consequent to conquering the senses and bodily impulses. © For both of these, an introductory understanding of the nature of God are required. God is seen as the supreme benefactor and the Supreme Self, and is worshipped for success in yoga, but is not necessarily viewed as the supreme goal. All this depends on the mindset of the aspirant. (d) Success in karma-yoga and jnAna-yoga leads to the vision of the individual self (jIvAtma-sAkshAtkAra). Karma-yoga can be a gateway to jnAna-yoga, and then subsequently to jIvAtma-sAkshAtkAra, or it can lead directly to jIvAtma-sAkshAtkAra because of the element of knowledge that is fundamental to its practice. (e) Between karma-yoga and jnAna-yoga the Gita counsels aspirants to pursue karma-yoga because of its relative ease and greater likelihood of failure. (f) Once the vision of the self is secured, the aspirant has obviously achieved some measure of success in yoga, and has perceived the self in its proper place -- i.e., that it is truly different from the body, and that it is 'Sesha' to God. The aspirant then naturally moves on to loving contemplation of God directly. This contemplation takes on different colors depending on the ultimate goal of the aspirant. (g) Some people may already have an abiding love for God and may not be interested in engaging themselves principally in karma-yoga or jnAna-yoga (see Gita chapter 12). These people engage in a form of bhakti-yoga that does not already have the vision of the self as its basis. Consequently their meditation may not be as firm; yet, with time, they too experience the proper nature of the self as an outgrowth of their bhakti-yoga and are able to ceaselessly envision the Lord. (h) It is to be noted that for all of the above aspirants the daily and occasional religious rites (nitya-naimittika karma) are obligatory and are performed to the best of one's ability as God's worship. (i) One may worship God through bhakti-yoga for three goals: (a) The securing of bodily or material prosperity (aiSvaryArthi, in the Gita 'Arta' and 'arthArthi') (b) To attain a permanent vision of the nature of the individual self (kaivalyArthi or jijnAsu) © out of love of the ParamAtman alone (jnAni) Chapters 7 and 8 of the Gita detail these different aspirants and naturally give the highest place of honor to the jnAni, who views success and failure purely in relation to union with God. Incidentally, the so-called 'akshara-upAsaka' of the Gita, mentioned in the 7th, 8th, and 12th chapters, is understood to refer to someone who seeks to permanently experience the bliss of the individual self. This person engages in bhakti-yoga for the sake this experience (the jijnAsu of the 7th chapter). He meditates on God as the akshara for the sake of attaining the jIva as akshara (see Desika's comments on Ramanuja-bhAshya for chapter 8). For this reason he is known as an akshara-upAsaka in Chapter 12. The meditation of the akshara-upAsaka and the jnAni is different in the following manner. Both of them have an understanding of the nature of the individual self vis-a-vis the ParamAtman, but the jnAni's is more advanced. While the akshara-upAsaka meditates principally on the jIva having God as its innermost self, the jnAni meditates principally on God having the jIva as His attribute. (The first is brahma-SarIraka-jIvAtma upAsana, the second is svAtma-viSishTa-brahma upAsana). As Martin has pointed out, Sri Ramanuja mentions that the distinction between these two aspirants is only in the initial stage ("mukha-bhedena" -- see Vedanta Saara). Both are meditating on God, only in different modes. The jnAnis meditation is the more enlightened since he only cares about God, the jIvAtma being incidental. For this reason, the akshara-upAsaka is also sometimes known as a jIvAtma-upAsaka; but the latter term is to be very loosely taken and should be understood in the manner described previously. aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2002 Report Share Posted April 8, 2002 I made a critical typo in my previous message. My paragraph on karma-yoga vis-a-vis jnAna-yoga should read: (e) Between karma-yoga and jnAna-yoga the Gita counsels aspirants to pursue karma-yoga because of its relative ease and greater likelihood of success. ^^^^^^^^ Not "failure!" Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 Dear Members, I had yet another typo in my email from yesterday. I should not write so hastily. I had written: > The meditation of the akshara-upAsaka and the jnAni is different > in the following manner. Both of them have an understanding of > the nature of the individual self vis-a-vis the ParamAtman, but > the jnAni's is more advanced. While the akshara-upAsaka meditates > principally on the jIva having God as its innermost self, the > jnAni meditates principally on God having the jIva as His > attribute. (The first is brahma-SarIraka-jIvAtma upAsana, > the second is svAtma-viSishTa-brahma upAsana). The first Sanskrit term I used was incorrect. The meditation of the akshara-upAsaka, i.e., one who seeks to experience the bliss of his own individual self, is known as 'brahmAtmaka-svAtma upAsana' -- meditation on his own individual self as having God at its core. This meditation is more focussed on the attributes of imperishability, blissfulness, consciousness, etc., which characterize both the self and God. aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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