Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 Dear Members, The following question was sent to me. Does anyone have any insights? ------ Hi Mani, I think that god punishes cos this is what we read in epics ... he does punish ravana in a way. But that aside, what i want to know is, is the factor that death by Lord dictated by Karma? Meaning that if a perosns karma is such that he will have a natural death then Lord cannot kill him ? or can perumAL over ride that. Perumals use of the instrument of karma - is it according to His wish or is that dictated by the jIvatma's karma meaning perumal will be able to kill/punish a person only if jIvAtma's karma has something saying that hes destined to die in the hands of the Lord. WE do have so many puraNaas where rakshasas ask for boons and perumAL finds a loop hole and kills them - so now what does these things mean - can someone who gives boon, like Lord Brahma can also over ride karma or is it such that persons karma dictates that these things are destined to happen ? Becasue as far as i understand perumAL can liberate you from karma etc but he wasnt the one who started karma etc ... & karma is beginingless ... ---- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 Dear Members, I think the answer probably lies in the freewill concept. Despite our past karmA we are all endowed with freewill to act in a fair and just manner -which means even if someone is born a rAkshasA (demon) by virtue (?) of his/her past actions, one can change for the better through good deeds. On the contrary, if the demon chooses to continue in the path of evil then the Lord steps in to deliver the verdict. "...is the factor that death by Lord dictated by Karma?" - No, it is dictated by one's actions that are partially influenced by past karmA and partially carried out of freewill. "..Meaning that if a perosns karma is such that he will have a natural death then Lord cannot kill him ? or can perumAL over ride that. " Though past karmA may dictate a natural death, freewill actions may override it thereby necessitating Lord's intervention. Taken together it can be argued that the result is due to the past and present karmAs. Boons are given according to one's current actions - notwithstanding one's destiny to receive such boons. When we say things happen the way they are supposed to - it doesn't really allude exclusively to pre-arranged karmA dynamics but indeed how logically it would play out given the circumstances and the people involved. Trust this helps. Respectfully, Sriram Mani Varadarajan [mani] Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:26 PM bhakti-list karma and God Dear Members, The following question was sent to me. Does anyone have any insights? ------ Hi Mani, I think that god punishes cos this is what we read in epics ... he does punish ravana in a way. But that aside, what i want to know is, is the factor that death by Lord dictated by Karma? Meaning that if a perosns karma is such that he will have a natural death then Lord cannot kill him ? or can perumAL over ride that. Perumals use of the instrument of karma - is it according to His wish or is that dictated by the jIvatma's karma meaning perumal will be able to kill/punish a person only if jIvAtma's karma has something saying that hes destined to die in the hands of the Lord. WE do have so many puraNaas where rakshasas ask for boons and perumAL finds a loop hole and kills them - so now what does these things mean - can someone who gives boon, like Lord Brahma can also over ride karma or is it such that persons karma dictates that these things are destined to happen ? Becasue as far as i understand perumAL can liberate you from karma etc but he wasnt the one who started karma etc ... & karma is beginingless ... ---- ----------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list Group Home: bhakti-list Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 The question raised seems to presuppose a conflict between karma and the will of God, so that, in effect, God would desire to reward or punish someone for some other reason than his just deserts (karma), i.e., capriciously. But this is in fact denied in Brahmasutra 2.1.34, which states that the Lord cannot be accused of partiality or cruelty, since he determines the various circumstances of living beings strictly in accordance with their karma. It is to the prasthanatraya that we must turn for answers to such theological questions. Ramanuja Dasa, MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 SrimathE raamanujaya namaha Dear Mani, I want to share my views on this. Forgive or Correct me if iam wrong. Lord is said to be dharma rakshakan. He has personally committed the same in bhagawat gita. Keeping this let me share my view. Lord has created or given all the facilities with well defined reaction rules.. I.e he has set all the niyathis and he is standing behind as niyantha. So he need not come to punish for each and every breach of these codes. It is something like well written bug-free operating system wherein he has given facilties like create, store ,Design, Delete etc. It is upto the user to choose which one he wants to utilize. When the basic kernel of the Operating system is at risk, then he gets into the role as a Programmer and fixes the BUG. We can get TV as a boon. It is upto us to see Ramayanam or Blue film on that. So our sankalpam decides our karma. When our sankalpam is adharmic, then we do adharmic karma and then we face the reaction. He uses the situation as vyaajam to execute the reaction. Like he used for vaali in ramayanam. If interested we can discuss vaali vatham in this forum in detail. Regards, AdiyEn satagOpa daasan. Nanmaaran Mani Varadarajan <mani wrote: Dear Members, The following question was sent to me. Does anyone have any insights? ------ Hi Mani, I think that god punishes cos this is what we read in epics ... he does punish ravana in a way. But that aside, what i want to know is, is the factor that death by Lord dictated by Karma? Meaning that if a perosns karma is such that he will have a natural death then Lord cannot kill him ? or can perumAL over ride that. Perumals use of the instrument of karma - is it according to His wish or is that dictated by the jIvatma's karma meaning perumal will be able to kill/punish a person only if jIvAtma's karma has something saying that hes destined to die in the hands of the Lord. WE do have so many puraNaas where rakshasas ask for boons and perumAL finds a loop hole and kills them - so now what does these things mean - can someone who gives boon, like Lord Brahma can also over ride karma or is it such that persons karma dictates that these things are destined to happen ? Becasue as far as i understand perumAL can liberate you from karma etc but he wasnt the one who started karma etc ... & karma is beginingless ... ---- ----------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list Group Home: bhakti-list Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of is subject to Health - your guide to health and wellness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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