Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 [ Dear Sri Krishnaswamy, Thank you for sharing this illuminating conversation with Sri Ramana Maharshi, who was no doubt a realized yogin of our times. For the sake of circumscribing the range of discussion, I ask members to focus on the teachings of Sri Ramanuja and the acharyas of the Visishtadvaita school. This will lend focus to our group. This is not meant to downplay the importance of other thinkers and philosophies. Thanks, Moderator ] Dear Members, "WE do have so many puraNaas where rakshasas ask for boons" This quote from a message in the previous digest (602) reminded me of Bhagawan Ramana Maharishi's thoughts on Siddhis. Siddhis are generally considered more as obstacles than boons; it is no wonder that our Puranas tell tales to illustrate their self-destructive nature for the recipient: Question: Are the Siddhis (super-natural powers) mentioned in Patanjali’s Sutras true or only his dream? Sri Ramana Maharshi: He who is Brahman or the Self will not value those Siddhis. Patanjali himself says that they are all exercised with the mind and that they impede Self-realisation. Question: What about the powers of so-called supermen? Sri Ramana Maharshi: Whether powers are high or low, whether of the mind or of a supermind, they exist only with reference to the one who has the power. Find out who that is. Question: Are Siddhis to be achieved on the spiritual path or are they opposed to Mukti (liberation)? Sri Ramana Maharshi: The highest Siddhi is realisation of the Self, for once you realise the truth you cease to be drawn to the path of ignorance. Question: Then what use are the Siddhis? Sri Ramana Maharshi: There are two kinds of Siddhis and one kind may well be a stumbling block to realisation. It is said that by Mantra, by some drug possessing occult virtues, by severe austerities or by samadhi of a certain kind, powers can be acquired. But these powers are not a means to Self-knowledge, for even when you acquire them, you may quite well be in ignorance. Question: What is the other kind? Sri Ramana Maharshi: They are manifestations of power and knowledge, which are quite natural to you when you realise the Self. They are Siddhis, which are the products of the normal and natural Tapas (spiritual practice) of the man who has reached the Self. They come of their own accord, they are God given. They come according to one’s destiny but whether they come or not, the Jnani, who is settled in the supreme peace, is not disturbed by them. For he knows the Self and that is the unshakable Siddhi. But these Siddhis do not come by trying for them. When you are in the state of realisation, you will know what these powers are. In this context, Members may like to peruse the following piece by an unknown author: The Kalpataru tree is a magic tree. It listens attentively to our every wish and, in due time, grants them all. Most of our wishes may be very unwise, but the wishing tree fulfills them all, just the same, hoping that you will learn by experiencing the consequences. The gifts that it gives are like the links in a chain. Each wish is linked to another, and the chain itself holds us in its tight grip. As we grow, our wishes increase, the grip tightens; and it seems as if we could never wish enough. Our wishes had been quite simple when we were children, but steadily they became increasingly complex and more difficult to fulfill. The Kalpataru had kindled in us a spark of fire by granting our first wish and this has now grown into a blazing fire which we do not know how to control or extinguish! We generally do not know what is good for ourslves. Instead of leaving it to the Lord to grant our needs, we demand from God the granting of our desires, like the petulant child. The result, according to Oscal Wilde: When the Gods choose to punish us, they merely answer our prayers. There is the well-known, bizarre story of the Monkey's Paw that illustrates this theme more effectively by describing the unexpected consequences of the magical fulfillment of our wishes. Members can read this story at: http://home.attbi.com/~surfings/Cogitation/7aMonkeysPaw.htm Perhaps, these texts might help us indirectly to understand why the rakshasas were destroyed as a direct consequence of the granting of their own wishes. The seeds of destruction were contained already in the wishes that they first entertained unwisely. For us, it is better to follow the wisdom contained in Ramana Maharishi's advice in Upadesa Saaram (Sloka 3): IshvarArpitaM necchayA krtaM citta-shodhakaM mukti-sAdhakam Dasan Krishnaswamy M.K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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