Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 Dear Mani - My $0.02. There is no doubt this list serves many purposes. I was introduced to the notion of prapatti as a result of this group (way back when the list was small) in a non sectarian, noninvasive, non-condescending, simple manner. The knowledge gained from reading material posted here has changed my life. I was led to my Acharya as a result of associations I developed while participating in this list. There will be many discussion groups that may emerge as a result of the increased interest in the subject matter surround the teachings of our Acharyas - but this list will stand out as serving a very unique purpose. And Mani, your fingerprints are all over the tremendous impact that this list has had on me and numerous others. Don't even think about 'ending' this list. Hey, without His will, you will not be able to end this even if you try May Sriman Narayana's blessings shower on you. Adiyen Vishwanath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 Dear Members, There hasn't been much activity lately on the Bhakti List. Presumably this is because of the new guidelines I put in place earlier this year, and because of the proliferation of various Sri Vaishnava email discussion groups, each of which have their own focus. Given that this is the case, are the Bhakti List and related groups serving any useful purpose? I mean this as a serious question and not a rhetorical one. There is no need for this group to exist if members aren't deriving any benefit from it. It may be that the other groups are more than adequately satisfying the needs of Internet-aware people interested in Sri Vaishnava religion and philosophy. Or, perhaps the guidelines I put in place are too restrictive? I may have put the cart before the horse, but I would appreciate public comment on where members want to take this group and what they envision as its purpose. Please be open and frank. Thanks, Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 SrImatE rAmAnujAya nama: Learned members or moderator can initiate topics and questions of tutorial nature . Introductory works of Sri Ramanuja could be taken up for discussion initially and advanced works later. Discussion could be limited to one topic at a time in order to stay focussed. After 'adequate' discussion, we could move on to another topic if a majority of members agree. rAmAnuja-dAsa: //Ramkumar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 Dear members, Mani's question seems to be leading to some introspection. Perhaps there are not many learned members who can pour out on aazhvaar's prabhandhams etc , there by the numbers of articles has reduced of late. So may be a little relaxation on that could be thought of. On the proliferation of groups, yes. The number has become many. At times same mail is received from more than one source, which at times is an inconvenience, I feel. Other wise the list is definitely serving the purpose. Just to say about myself, I became very much exposed to so many interesting topics which otherwise is not that easy for me. Dhasan Vasudevan m.g. Mani Varadarajan [sMTP:mani] Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:31 AM bhakti-list Is this list serving any purpose? Dear Members, There hasn't been much activity lately on the Bhakti List. Presumably this is because of the new guidelines I put in place earlier this year, and because of the proliferation of various Sri Vaishnava email discussion groups, each of which have their own focus. Given that this is the case, are the Bhakti List and related groups serving any useful purpose? I mean this as a serious question and not a rhetorical one. There is no need for this group to exist if members aren't deriving any benefit from it. It may be that the other groups are more than adequately satisfying the needs of Internet-aware people interested in Sri Vaishnava religion and philosophy. Or, perhaps the guidelines I put in place are too restrictive? I may have put the cart before the horse, but I would appreciate public comment on where members want to take this group and what they envision as its purpose. Please be open and frank. Thanks, Mani ----------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 Dear Mani, I agree that there should be some moderation so that general topics such as 'vegetarianism' etc. are not discussed in this group. However, Q&A on topics which a genuine seeker of truth would like to ask depending on his/her level of understanding of vedas, upanishads etc should also be allowed to be discussed as this will enable a wider perspective to one's understanding and therefore enriching ones thought. Regards, Adiyen Ramanuja dasan Ranganathan Sounderrajan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2002 Report Share Posted June 4, 2002 Dear Sri Mani, Bhakti list's contribution is immeasurable - no exaggeration. It continues to do so and there are no qualms about that, at least in my mind. I for one have gained a great deal of knowledge and comfort just being a "read-only" member. I am pretty sure that applies to many of the list members. As you pointed out, new guidelines coupled with the creation of new groups/sub-groups might've affected recent volumes significantly, but ever since I joined this list almost 4 years back, I've never been able to keep up with the rich content and information posted here. As Sri Ramkumar suggested, to encourage more participation inline with the new guidelines it may be a good idea to initiate a series of brief, focussed postings about Sri Vaishnavam / Sri Ramanujar, his works, works of his contemporaries and followers, along with references for further reading. This will certainly help raise the level of "authentic" knowledge and enable all of us participate with more confidence instead of sitting on the sidelines. adiyEn, Sriram Mani Varadarajan [mani] Monday, June 03, 2002 7:01 PM bhakti-list Is this list serving any purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2002 Report Share Posted June 4, 2002 srimathe ramanujaya namah namo narayana dear sri mani, adiyal would just like to echo what sri vishvanath had stated. this group has guided me and alot of others as well in our sri sampradhayam. if anything the posts in this list has changed my whole life. so please don't entertain thoughts of ending it! the list is just a little dormant at the moment, swamy, that's all. the guidelines are not restrictive but precise. so please don't be harsh on yourself. for my part i would like to ask a few questions to all bhaagavatas, 1) what is the difference between the monthly ekadesi and annual ekadesi? 2) how does one observe the fast properly? 3) what is the significance of avoiding grains during ekadesi? 4) i heard that if one misses the monthly ekadesi-s then s/he can make up by observing the annual ekadesi. is this true? thank you all in advance ) and sri mani, pls do keep doing the wonderful kainkaryam that your doing for our beloved perumal and piratti )) lottsa krishna premai kalaivani andal thiruvadigale saranam jai sriman narayana govinda govinda govinda >Vishinutah >bhakti-list >bhakti-list >Re: Is this list serving any purpose? >Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:49:29 EDT > >Dear Mani - My $0.02. > >There is no doubt this list serves many purposes. I was introduced to the >notion of prapatti as a result of this group (way back when the list was >small) in a non sectarian, noninvasive, non-condescending, simple manner. >The >knowledge gained from reading material posted here has changed my life. I >was >led to my Acharya as a result of associations I developed while >participating >in this list. There will be many discussion groups that may emerge as a >result of the increased interest in the subject matter surround the >teachings >of our Acharyas - but this list will stand out as serving a very unique >purpose. And Mani, your fingerprints are all over the tremendous impact >that >this list has had on me and numerous others. Don't even think about >'ending' >this list. Hey, without His will, you will not be able to end this even if >you try > >May Sriman Narayana's blessings shower on you. > >Adiyen Vishwanath > > > > > > > >----------------------------- > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - >To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list >Group Home: bhakti-list >Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ > > >Your use of is subject to radhe krishna! _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2002 Report Share Posted June 4, 2002 SrI: SrImathE rAmanujaya namah: Dear Sri Mani, This list is the forerunner and is the beginning of all of us to get together; to know each other; to organise NAMA events all over the world; to get to know more about Ramanuja sampradayam; to revie our younger days when we had learnt the sthOthramms whose meanings we get to know and how deep they are when we read Sri SatakOpan mama's translations;- the list and benefits the list has given us are endless. It has introduced us the unparalleled Sri vaishnava to many of us, about which many of us have lost track and forgotten due to running amuck after material pursuits. The list taught me what is Pancha samskaram (thanks to Sri Anand Karalapakkam's brilliant write up); the doctrine of Prapatti; the intense desire to undergo prapatti in the immediate future. Also the list gave us the dynamic, young Simhapuri Sri MS Hari in Singapore (it was you who wrote to me about his presence in Singapore) and he has transformed many Srivaishnavas at Singapore and he continues indefatigably. We have got to know Sri Anbil Mama and his excellent posts thorugh this list first. There is now ay you can end it. It is like a good Primary school and there are many Secondary schools, Colleges, Universities now. That does not mean the primary school needs to be closed. There are students who joined the list and are now in Universities. The lecturers who started off in Primary school find it too preliminary and hence have shifted to Colleges. There are and will be always new children to learn and learn. We will exist for them and they will also get promoted to Universities. Your Ramanuja Primary school should go on. Encourage Bhahawathas of the list to ask questions; Ask them to send their mite. We can send the respective kalai's view points without hurting the other so that people get to know the subtle differences and the great commonalities too. My two (nay), one cent worth. Regards Namo Narayana aDiyEn _______________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2002 Report Share Posted June 4, 2002 Sri: SriRAmAJayam SrimathE RAmAnujAya Nama: Dear Mani, I just wonder what made you to think of putting an end to this group. Surely you have to give up such an idea! This site is really good. There is always a "slack" period. At times people are occupied with mundane things that they forget about the bhakti-list. You need to sing a "suprabAtham" those times to wake up the jIvAtmAs. On a different matter,wrt the rules,it's my personal view (you can always disregard),the rules shouldn't be too stringent. No two persons think alike(under normal conditions). There is so much about our sampradAyam and philosophy/works of AchAryAs that we (atleast I) all need to learn. So,let people express their views but they should be aware where & when to put a "full stop" (when the discussion does not lead anywhere to a good understanding). Without the "freedom of speech" and some heated discussions I don't think there would be any advancement in any field. If everybody can accept every other person as he/she is this world would be like vaikuNTam. I have so much to ask but I'm a bit scared to put forth my questions(b'coz of the restrictions and I classify myself as a free person). A "truly" knowledgeable person would not mind any type of question. This is again my viewpoint and I don't expect others to agree with me. With so many other groups existing,attention will be divided among the groups. It's quite natural. (It's like the baby attracted to one particular gift or it will keep shifting its attention). Maybe a person who is knowledgeable(atleast to some extent) in brahma sUtrA should take one sUtrA(I guess there are 545 in no)and try to elaborate on that. And allow people to clarify their doubts. As someone already pointed out,even if you try to end this group,you may not succeed! Best Regards and a BIG SRIMAN NARAYANA's BLESS on this group(&you) AzhwAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE saraNam Sarvam krSNArpaNam astu gita Quote:"All truth passes through three stages. First it's ridiculed. Second,it's violently opposed. Third,it is accepted as self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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