Digest Number 626/ Reply on "nAmAs of Slokam 74:VishnuSahasranAmaA

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Shri RAmAnujasya CaraNou Sharanam PraPadhyE

 

NamaskAram Shri krshNamAcAryan DAsan AvarkaLE.

 

This is concerning your remark on my commentary to SlokA No. 74 of

VishnuSahasranAmA. May I thank you for your invitation to continue making

contributions to the list?

 

I do not have any direct reference to the interpretation I gave as another

possible one of SlokA No. 74. I derived it from the way the word Vasu and its

causal from VAsu are used. You have pointed out to the methodology of a

commentator in your recent and last write-up concerning the interpretation of

the word "REthA" as a cause of Rashmi. I used the same methodology. The

commentator says that REthA is the causal form of Rathi or Rashmi. Both mean

energy. Thus VasuRethA is the cause of the energy, which is Vasu. Who is

vasu?

 

Let us take a look at the causal form which is VAsu. There is reasonable

evidence that VAsu is the earth. The Earth is VasundhaRa, VasumAthi.

VAsavaDhattha is the name of a famous character in ???? (CilappadhikAram???).

It means the daughter of the earth, who is SItha. So the Earth is the cause

of Vasu, from which we conclude that Vasu is the moon via SankarA (Song 82 of

SoundharyaLahari).

 

You referred to a group of deities: The 8 vashus in your recent post, who are

the gate keepers at the 8 directions. Does not that word use Vash as in

shudhha (clean), shukra (Friday), shouchi (pure)? The word VasudhEva uses "s"

as in SIta, Sama (equal), Sundaram (inner beauty)?? The word "Vash" as used

in the deities meaning gives rise to the Thamiz words: Vashyam (Vacam:

control; attraction;). Also VAshal: VAcal: Gate. Causal form again.

 

 

The question does arise as to an independent meaning of Vasu. Recently there

was another write-up about the formation of words like DAshaRaTHa, JAnakI

etc. and the writer asked a question about such formation, if it is peculiar

to SamsKruth. (I am sorry, I can't go to the reference without losing these

notes. Please excuse me.). I would like to say a few words on that. But let

me wait and see your comments on the other names of SlOka 74, as well as what

others write in answer to the above inquiry of our colleague at this site.

 

If I come across more support for this line of thinking, I will let you know.

I would like to request members to post their findings here, even though it

may not quite comply with the rules or alternately to write to me at the

simple e-mail address of mine. I will be grateful. I am requesting paired

words: (Vasu, VAsu), (DashaRaTHa, DashaRaTHi) etc. Especially in verb form. A

very nice pair is': (Cududhal: to heat, to point, CUdudhal: To heat as a

transitive verb: to make a mark by heat, to imprint a mark, an

identification, a trademark, a logo etc, and many other meanings like put on,

wear etc.). Please see words like CUdikKoduththa NAcciyAr, the trade-mark

name of Shri AandAL!!); CUdAMaNi: God has no trademark or logo or He has many

logos! No one can claim Him as His/Her own. Sorry no patent infringement!

Case dismissed for lack of jurisdiction of human courts!

 

 

 

Vandhanam.

 

May He endow us with Grace.

 

Visu

 

[ These are interesting speculations, but I must admit they

do not appear to me to be based on solid grammatical or logical

foundation. They rather appear to be random associations because

of phonetic similarity. Tamil words such as cUDudal have no

etymological realtion to do with CUDAmaNi despite similarity in

sound. May I request a little bit more scholastic rigor in the

presentation of these ideas? Thanks -- Moderator ]

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--- Visu9 wrote: > Shri RAmAnujasya CaraNou Sharanam

PraPadhyE

> VAsavaDhattha is the name of a famous character in ????

> (CilappadhikAram???).

 

Vasavadhatta is the central characted in Bhasa's Svapnavasavadatta.

She predates the Cillapadhikaram. I am not aware if there is a

reference to Vasavadatta in the Cillapadhikaram, although would be

delighted to recieve any input about this from scholars.

 

-Regards,

 

Malolan Cadambi

 

 

 

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No. There is no mention about Vasavadatta in any single line of

Cilapadhikaaram. Having gone through a considerable number of Tamil classics, I

do not remember having read this name in any of the ancient books in Tamil.

There is a possibility that this name may appear in Manimekalai. However, I have

not read Manimekalai. I just know the bare minimum details of the book.

 

Hari Krishnan

 

 

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"Malolan R Cadambi" <mcadambi

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Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:36 AM

Re: Digest Number 626/ Reply on "nAmAs of Slokam 74:VishnuSahasranAmaA

 

 

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| --- Visu9 wrote: > Shri RAmAnujasya CaraNou Sharanam

| PraPadhyE

| > VAsavaDhattha is the name of a famous character in ????

| > (CilappadhikAram???).

|

| Vasavadhatta is the central characted in Bhasa's Svapnavasavadatta.

| She predates the Cillapadhikaram. I am not aware if there is a

| reference to Vasavadatta in the Cillapadhikaram, although would be

| delighted to recieve any input about this from scholars.

|

| -Regards,

|

| Malolan Cadambi

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Shri RAmAnujasya CaraNou Sharanam PraPadhyE

 

TO:

 

Shri Manolan Cidambi, Shri HariKrishnan, Shri Lakshmi Srinivas and Others:

 

NamaskAram. Let me thank you for the input on the name "VAsavadhattA". Now I

remember SvapnaVasavadhattA from my college days, when we were reading

BhAshaKathASArA!!

 

I did not know any of the references mentioned by Shri Srinivas. Thanks.

 

Let me close with one observation: In CilappAdhikAram, the name

"VasanthaMAlai" appears. She is a close friend of MAdhavi through whom

Madhavi sends messages.

 

In MaNiMEkalai, the name is VAsanthavai. She is the wise old woman who

consoles the Queen, after her son has a cruel ending.

 

I revisted the passages and more. Thank you for a few moments of wonder.

 

Vandhanam.

 

Naha SvIKurvaka AsmAth KrupAm.

 

Visu

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

bhakti-list, "Hari Krishnan" <harikrishnan@v...> wrote:

> No. There is no mention about Vasavadatta in any single line of

Cilapadhikaaram. Having gone through a considerable number of Tamil

classics, I do not remember having read this name in any of the

ancient books in Tamil. There is a possibility that this name may

appear in Manimekalai. However, I have not read Manimekalai. I just

know the bare minimum details of the book.

 

 

Dear friends,

 

vAsavadattai is of course of central importance in KoGkuvELir's

peruGkatai, edited by the late Mm dakshitya kalanidhi Sri U. Ve.

Swaminatha Ayyar.

 

vAsavadattai is also mentioned in our own ciRiya tirumaTal:

 

ArAnum collappaTuvAL allaLavaLkANIr

vArAr vanamulai vAcavatattaiyenRu

ArAnum collappaTuvAL etc etc (line 65-66)

 

Here, the AzvAr obliquely refers to why he as a woman (in

nAyikAbhAvam) is doing maTal ERutal. As per Tamil grammar, only men

have the right to do this if they can not attain their beloved. But

vAsavadatta went after Udayanan (tArAr taTantOL taLaikkAlan pin

ponAL) and is still celebrated. Thus there is a distinguished

predecessor.

 

Interested people might want to look up the vyakhyana chakravarti's

traditional commentary. Sri Sudarsanam Swamy's gloss thereon gives

the references to Bhasa's play and the Sanskrit brhatkatha and the

kathasaritsagara but does not mention the Tamil peruGkatai of

koGkuvELir.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Lakshmi Srinivas