Treatment of a Jeevathma after his encounters in Sorkam and Naragam

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Dear Bhagavatas,

 

Adieyen has a basic doubt in the treatment of Jeevathma after his encounters in

Sorgam and Naragam. As per my understanding, a jeevathma goes to Sorgam and

enjoys the comforts there in direct proportion to the "Punniyams" in his

credit. Similarly he suffers in Naragam which is also in direct proportion to

the "Pavams" in his credit. Once this treatment is over, he has a zero balance

of "punniams" and "pavams" and he becomes eligible for moksham, if he realises

and practices the "Artha Panchakam". But my doubt is where comes the re-birth

of jeevathama again in this "leela vibudhi" as he now has a zero balance of

"Punniyams" and "Pavams" (They have been spent or compensated in Sorgam or

Naragam). Is it an oppurtunity provided by the emperuman to realise HIM and

MOKSHAM.

 

I request the learned members of this group to clarify the same.

 

Azhwar Emperumanaar Jeeyar thiruvadigale saranam.

 

Adiyen,

 

Varadarajan Ramanuja Dasan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear bhAgavatAs,

 

In response to Sriman Varadarajan's question on svargam and narakam,

my understanding is, this question does not araise for prapannAs.

There is no svargam (heven), no narakam (hell), no punarjanmam (rebirth)

and only mOxam(liberation).

When does this mOxam take into effect? Right NOW, here and hereafter.

This is the promise of paramAcArya (Lord kReSHNa) in the bhagavadgItA.

 

This is Lord's (primary) promise. Rest of the elaborations, by whomsoever

it may be, are only (secondary)details; some of those may serve some useful

purpose, in guiding us to the source. They are only vehicles at best.

 

However, most other elaborations are unnecessary and only shows the

incredible ability of human mind to complicate things.

 

In one way or the other we all have that lawyer in us, sometimes more evident

so than the Lord within us!

 

dAsan

 

K. Sreekrishna Tatachar

[Guest guest]

SrImate rAmAnujAya nama:

asmad sarva-gurubhyo nama:

 

According to SrI-bhashya, the popular belief that the jIva returns

from heaven with nill-karma back to the Earth, has been refuted

in Saariiraka-Saastra (popularly a.k.a known as 'brahma-suutra')

 

See the 3rd adhyaaya, 2nd paada. starting with the following suutra:

"kRtaatyaye'nuSayavaan, dRshTasmRtibhyaam, yethetamanevam ca"

 

Here the definitive vedaantic conclusion (siddhaanta) regarding

this matter, according to SrI rAmAnuja is that souls do have

residual karma after they return from svarga (heaven).

 

Also, not all puNya paapa karma-phala-s are awarded in

naraka or svarga.

For instance, good or bad dreams experienced right on this Earth,

are also said to be the result of puNya or paapa.

 

aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan

//Ramkumar

 

 

bhakti-list, Varadarajan Sourirajan

<varadarajan_tcs> wrote:

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> Dear Bhagavatas,

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> Adieyen has a basic doubt in the treatment of Jeevathma after his

encounters in Sorgam and Naragam. As per my understanding, a

jeevathma goes to Sorgam and enjoys the comforts there in direct

proportion to the "Punniyams" in his credit. Similarly he suffers

in Naragam which is also in direct proportion to the "Pavams" in his

credit. Once this treatment is over, he has a zero balance

of "punniams" and "pavams" and he becomes eligible for moksham, if he

realises and practices the "Artha Panchakam". But my doubt is where

comes the re-birth of jeevathama again in this "leela vibudhi" as he

now has a zero balance of "Punniyams" and "Pavams" (They have been

spent or compensated in Sorgam or Naragam). Is it an oppurtunity

provided by the emperuman to realise HIM and MOKSHAM.

>

> I request the learned members of this group to clarify the same.

>

> Azhwar Emperumanaar Jeeyar thiruvadigale saranam.

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> Adiyen,

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> Varadarajan Ramanuja Dasan.

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