Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 SrI: asmad sarva gurubhyo nama: Dear prapanna-s It appears that according to our AcArya-s nitya-kainkarya is real goal as opposed to moksha. but in his divine works, svAmi SrI deSika refers to perumAL in many places as 'mukti-da:', 'mukun-da:' etc. For intance, He refers to thiruk-kachchi being one of the seven places that confer mukti. ("muththi tharum nagar-Ezhil mukiyamAm kachchi thanil" - aDikkalap-paththu) So I feel moksha may not merely be a 'kAmya-purushArtha' like dharma, artha & kAma are. If moksha were not highest goal, then SArIraka-mImAsA (aka vedAnta-sUtra) would not discuss it. So I would like to understand the nature of moksha. and I have the following questions. 1) Is moksha just a state of purified consciousness when the jIva's knowledge (dharma-bhUta-gyAna) gets fully expanded and its materialistic limitations (such as hunger, old-age, thirst, exhaustion etc) are eliminated, therby making the jIva fit for uninterupted devotional service. Does moksha occur only at the location of SrI-vaikuNTha and nowhere else ? However after mukti, does the jIva perform devotional service whereever the Supreme Being desires? 2) Does moksha refer to the place, SrI-vaikuNTham or parama-padam ? 3) Nowadays many devotees find it fashionable to make moksha insignificant M-word. They say things like "I don't care for moksha. All I care about is doing devotional service to perumAL even if it means naraka-vAsam". In support of their view, they quote the following: "eRRaikkum **yEzh-yEzh** **piRavikkum** unakku uRROmE AvOm umAkkE ATcheyvOm maRRai nam kAmangaL mARRu" (thiruppAvai 29) "pacchaimaa malai pOl mEni pavazha-vaay kamalach chenkaN achchuthaa! amarar aErE! aayar tham kozhundhE! ennum, ichchuvai thavira yaan pOy indhira lOkam aaLum, **achchuvai*peRinum*vENdEn* arangamaa nakar-uLaane! " (thirumaalai 2) "umbar ulagAnDu oru koDaikkIzh uruppasithan ampoR kalayalkul peRRAlum AdhariyEn sem-pavaLa vAyAn thiruvEnkaDam ennum emperumAn pon-malai-lEl yEdhEnum AvEnE" (perumAL thirumozhi 4.10) "sakRt tvad-AkAra-vilOka-nASayA tRNI-kRta anuttama-bhukti-muktibhi: mahAtmabhi: mAm-avalOkyatAm naya kshaNepi te yad-viraha: ati-dus-saha: " (stotra-ratnam 56) "nirantaram nirviSatas tvadIyam aspRshTa cintApada mAmirUpyam | satyam SapE vAraNa-Saila-nAtha vaikuNTha-vAsE'pi na mE abhilAsha: || " (varada-rAja-pancASat 49) But I personally feel that statements such as above are aimed at just encouraging prapanna-s to not waste their time in useless material pursuits, instead focus on performing kainkarya right here and right now even before their karma-SarIram falls away. I feel that AzhvArs & AcArya-s do not intend to contradict the need to desire moksha. (= paripUrNa-brahma-anubhavam?) After all, it is said a person interested in moksha (ie mumukshu) becomes a prapanna after acquiring tattva-gyAna and 'taking' SaraNAgati. Sure, SrI Ramanujacharya requests only nithya kaimkaryam from the Lord, "nitya kinkaro bhavAni", and "nitya kinkaratAm prArThayE". But does it make mOksha an insignificant 'M-word' ? aDiyEn requests you all to provide enlightenment. aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan //Ramkumar --------------- Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Dear Bhakthas, It is natural for every one to attain Moksha. In one sense one wants to attain Moksha to liberate oneself from all bondages and be at the feet of Lord Krishna. When great Alwars stress on kaikarya or doing work here, they stress the importance of doing whatever we do with the spirit of karma yoga. Unless we develop an attachment and liberate ourselves from the fruits of action, we cannot surrender at His feet and do work. We neek to excel ourselves in whatever we do. That is possible only with the spirit of Moksha or free from all bondages of fruits of actions. --- "Ramkumar T.G." <tg_ram wrote: > > SrI: > asmad sarva gurubhyo nama: > > Dear prapanna-s > > It appears that according to our AcArya-s > nitya-kainkarya is real goal as opposed to moksha. > > but in his divine works, svAmi SrI deSika refers to > perumAL in many places as 'mukti-da:', 'mukun-da:' > etc. > For intance, He refers to thiruk-kachchi being one > of > the seven places that confer mukti. > ("muththi tharum nagar-Ezhil mukiyamAm > kachchi thanil" - aDikkalap-paththu) > > So I feel moksha may not merely be a > 'kAmya-purushArtha' > like dharma, artha & kAma are. > [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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