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Bear with me on this stinker.

 

To those that say "everything is verily brahman",

"brahman is verily everything",

"matter is a mode of brahman's existence",

"brahman pervades everything" and such -

 

Could you explain what you mean?

 

What do you think of brahman's pervasiveness in despicable things

such as animal faeces?

 

Please do not ignore SrI-rAmAnuja's descriptions of the brahman

such as "akhika-heya-pratyanIka", "samasta-vastu-vilakshaNa",

"trividha-chetana-achetana-svarUpa-sthiti-pravRtti-

bhEdam", "sakhaletara vilakshaNa",

"aSesha-dosha-asamspRshTam".

 

aDiyEn

//Ramkumar

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Hi ppl

The moderator used to pull me up every now and then whenever i used

to ask a question saying that this group was too highly philospohical

etc to be asking the kind of questions which i asked - now, i really

wonder if he's asleep. Anyway - Mr. Ram - animal faeces - its not all

that ugly as u think -i've seen many ppl sprinkling the urine of cows

on their head - its so sacred .. and the stools of cows are very

useful - they are a natural disinfectant - they are used to clean the

floor after ppl have had their meals -( this was when ppl used to eat

siting on the floor -don't try this at home though )- and hey -

cowshit smells decent - better than any other thing of its kind.I've

been talking too much abt cows. animal faeces - over a period of time

decomposes - and turns into manure ! which provides with all the

nutrition that plants need to grow ! and these plants provide us with

fruits - which we consume - so in the larger sense - we're thankful

to them. Coz we are in a way eating what they refuse !! I may not be

answering ur question - i just wanted to say that they aren't ugly

and stinky and despicable as u mentioned- they're just part of

nature - if living beings coudn't discard the unwanted things that

they consumed - then they would lead sick lives !

 

- In bhakti-list, "tg_ramkumar" <tg_ram@e...> wrote:

> Bear with me on this stinker.

>

> To those that say "everything is verily brahman",

> "brahman is verily everything",

> "matter is a mode of brahman's existence",

> "brahman pervades everything" and such -

>

> Could you explain what you mean?

>

> What do you think of brahman's pervasiveness in despicable things

> such as animal faeces?

>

> Please do not ignore SrI-rAmAnuja's descriptions of the brahman

> such as "akhika-heya-pratyanIka", "samasta-vastu-vilakshaNa",

> "trividha-chetana-achetana-svarUpa-sthiti-pravRtti-

> bhEdam", "sakhaletara vilakshaNa",

> "aSesha-dosha-asamspRshTam".

>

> aDiyEn

> //Ramkumar

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Dear Sri Ramkumar,

I think for the Brahman, there is no distinction

between the goog and ugly matter. Sriman Narayana is

should be certainly present in all substances. Why

ugly matter, he should be present in those animals

which live on this ugly matter. He should be present

in those krimis in the ugly matter itself. According

to our philosophy there is no substance which is not a

shareera of the Brahman.

"Akila-heya-pratyaneekan" does not mean that he is not

present in ugly matter, but it means that he posses no

bad qualities. He is also called as "Apahathapapma"

which means that while he is all pervading, no dosha

of a specific substance will affect him in any way.

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan.

Raghunandan

--- tg_ramkumar <tg_ram wrote:

> Bear with me on this stinker.

>

> To those that say "everything is verily brahman",

> "brahman is verily everything",

> "matter is a mode of brahman's existence",

> "brahman pervades everything" and such -

>

> Could you explain what you mean?

>

> What do you think of brahman's pervasiveness in

> despicable things

> such as animal faeces?

>

> Please do not ignore SrI-rAmAnuja's descriptions of

> the brahman

> such as "akhika-heya-pratyanIka",

> "samasta-vastu-vilakshaNa",

> "trividha-chetana-achetana-svarUpa-sthiti-pravRtti-

> bhEdam", "sakhaletara vilakshaNa",

> "aSesha-dosha-asamspRshTam".

>

> aDiyEn

> //Ramkumar

>

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha!

Dear members,

I would like to share some thoughts that sprang up in my mind when I read

this mail. Well 'akila heya pratyanika' is a a quality of brahman. So, the

quality has to be explained from the brahman's perspective. The failures for

us, the human beings, would be when we try to define that in our own terms.

Well, let us try analysing few things that we encounter in our everyday

life. Pig! the one that rolls in the mud and stinks most of the time. I

repeat it stinks! but for whom? for human beings and may be for few more

animals too. But, a male pig loves the female one. The mother pig loves its

kids. They like and love and are happy. It plays in the mud and it stinks.

Man for that matter, cleans up the pig, kills it and eats it and says the

taste is pretty good. This simple example explains so many things in our

life. The words ugly, good etc are for us - the beauty lies at the eye of

the beholders. For Sri Ramanujar, the view point was that of brahman.

Brahman distinguishes none. He exists everywhere. There is no ugly or good.

Though this is the quality of the brahman, it has to be defined in a term

that has to be understood by every human being. If there is no distinction

between beauty and ugly, good or bad - what do you call that quality as? It

is a good quality right? Even the judge who is neutral to the good and the

bad is called the good. If judge was not neutral you still call him bad. So,

from that perspective, because the brahman doesn't distinguish between good

and bad, beauty and ugly, that very quality - impartiality - of brahman is

defined as good. I could have stopped with this to explain "akilaheya

pratyanikam", but for, animal faeces! I tend to smile at this one, because

it is very simple to answer this. What are we? We are just ugly beings

wrapped up by an excellent skin. Can anyone see us and feel pleasant if we

remove our skins? What is inside us? We are just made of achit - the Five

elements. Don't we know that our blood stinks, our flesh stinks. Just

because it is inside us does it mean we are good? All these things are

bio-chemicals as the science calls them, and the five elements as our

shastras call them. They have good, bad, pungent, stinking, pleasant and

what not? All kind of smells. But they are just achit! It is a combination

of them that make them likable or not for human beings. So, what is wrong in

brahman being inside that? It makes no difference. The difference is only

for the human beings. I cannot go and play in the mud while a pig can and a

buffalo can. Why should I compare myself with brahman? For brahman, the pig,

the buffalo or myself are all one and the same. These make up his shareera.

My hands may feel that it is cleaner than my legs that are ugly. But for me,

it doesn't make a difference. I don't treat my hands better than my leg for

that. For brahman, we are the bodies and though we are for specific purpose

and differ between us, the difference is not seen by the brahman. Remember!

Brahman is impartial!!! I don't know whether this convinces the person who

raised the question, I just thought I would share my thoughts. Learned

persons, please correct me if I were wrong.

Adiyen Ramanujadasan,

Lakshmi Narasimhan

 

>Bhashyam Raghunandan <rbhashyam

>bhakti-list

>bhakti-list

>Re: brahman's pervasiveness in ugly matter

>Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:38:47 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Dear Sri Ramkumar,

>I think for the Brahman, there is no distinction

>between the goog and ugly matter. Sriman Narayana is

>should be certainly present in all substances. Why

>ugly matter, he should be present in those animals

>which live on this ugly matter. He should be present

>in those krimis in the ugly matter itself. According

>to our philosophy there is no substance which is not a

>shareera of the Brahman.

>"Akila-heya-pratyaneekan" does not mean that he is not

>present in ugly matter, but it means that he posses no

>bad qualities. He is also called as "Apahathapapma"

>which means that while he is all pervading, no dosha

>of a specific substance will affect him in any way.

>Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan.

>Raghunandan

>--- tg_ramkumar <tg_ram wrote:

> > Bear with me on this stinker.

> >

> > To those that say "everything is verily brahman",

> > "brahman is verily everything",

> > "matter is a mode of brahman's existence",

> > "brahman pervades everything" and such -

> >

> > Could you explain what you mean?

> >

> > What do you think of brahman's pervasiveness in

> > despicable things

> > such as animal faeces?

> >

> > Please do not ignore SrI-rAmAnuja's descriptions of

> > the brahman

> > such as "akhika-heya-pratyanIka",

> > "samasta-vastu-vilakshaNa",

> > "trividha-chetana-achetana-svarUpa-sthiti-pravRtti-

> > bhEdam", "sakhaletara vilakshaNa",

> > "aSesha-dosha-asamspRshTam".

> >

> > aDiyEn

> > //Ramkumar

> >

>

>

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Om NamO nArAyaNAya.

 

Recently, an Indian research group and an American firm have obtained a patent

in the US for a drug prepared from Cow's urine. Mahatma Gandhi cleaned his own

excretions routinely and expected many of his Ashram workers to do the same. Not

only he did not feel repeleld, he thought and rightly so that it was equivalent

of gold!

 

It is part of the cycle as is said even in the giTa. /annA is from rain, and

rain is from /yaJnA etc. Gandhiji translated /yaJnA as labor. That included

farm work as a major and noble form of living.

 

/nalam/tarum collai nAn kaNTukoNTEn

 

nArAyaNA ennum nAmam.

 

/anpuTan Visu

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