Digest Number 705

[Guest guest]

Namaste. Very deep and thought provoking (disturbing!) questions.

 

Amritam does not seem to guarantee immortality beyond a point. Even Ravana

is supposed to have had an Amritha Bhandam in his stomach. Vibhishana had

to tell Sri Rama about it and ask him to direct Agneyastra (An astra

invoked through a Mantra and which produces a fire which normal water can't

probably quench?) so that the Pot of nectar is destroyed! This is what I

remember from Sri Ramayana. Is it correct?

 

The devotee of Lord may suffer from Ajnana which results in his forgetting

his relationship with Rama and Lakshmana in their next incarnations as

Krishna and Balarama. Jambavanta fought with Sri Krishna and failing to

conquer Him, realised that He is the same Vishnu. So it is Jambavant who

had the memory intact. Sri Krishna did not tell him that He is the same

Vishnu who incarnated earlier as Rama. Am I correct?

 

While Sri Krishna had the full memory and knowledge of His divine origin, I

do not recollect Sri Balarama having that knowledge or memory intact. He

behaved like any other powerful person, with special powers no doubt, but

not with the memory of his divine origin and his relationship with Sri

Vishnu. Like even Arjuna did not have. In Gita, Sri Krishna had to remind

Arjuna and educate him about his true self. Right?

 

Having devotion does not always guarantee protection from death. And why

should one bother about death, which after all is destruction of the

physical body? Even Rama and Krishna had to leave their bodies behind.

 

I know I am not answering questions actually by raising some more

questions. But can a story (or even a factual account) be analysed? Why

some one in a drama did what they were reported to have done?

 

And finally, what is the question about Marjala Kishora Nyaya with respect

to the above? As I understand it, that nyaya simply means that a Prapanna

is like a kitten, which has left everything to its mother, i.e. God. Was

Dvividha a Prapanna?

 

Respects to all.

 

Swamy SV

 

Note: Though it should be obvious, there is no harm in reiterating that my

full name is Swarna.Venkateswara Swamy. Thus Swamy does not denote a monk,

sadhu or sanyasi or even an Acharya. Just part of my name. So what I write

or ask has no authority whatsoever, except that of my understanding and/or

remembering some puranic stories and of course my limited intellect.

 

At 14:52 21/09/02 -0000, Mani's friend wrote:

 

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I guess the convoluted point I am trying to make (through

all my confusion) is that even Bhakti and kainkaryam dont

seem to be enough to stop someone from drifting. The Lord

does not seem to come to correct this and we ourselves

are powerless to control our senses (which is why we

surrender to Him and serve Him). So how can we be saved?

 

The other pricking issue is that if we call it Bhagavat

sankalpam - then again it seems to me that the Lord is

not really fixed in His resolve - first permitting this

guy to drink Amrita (Did He not know how Dwivida would

turn out later?) and then disposing him off at a later

time.

 

The struggle thru all these paragraphs for me is in

trying to figure out the limitations of human endeavour

and the extent of the Lord's Grace and what happens to

the soul subsequent to service at the Lord's feet - why

should he then drift at all?

 

I hope you see that I am not writing any of this from the

point of view of idle argument. These are questions

relevant to us and about our vigilance on how to guard

ourselves against slipping (assuming we are on the right

track in the first place).

 

Now how does that fit in with "maarjhaala kishore

nyaaya"?

[Guest guest]

1. Vishaksenar: Almost all temples have a vishvaksenar Moorti. He is taken

on procession the day before the Hoisting of the Brahmotsava flag to carry

out the security scan and security sanitation. And invariably a sannidhi

exists for Him.

2. Dwividha's amritaprasanam isdone before their meeting with Sri Rama.Just

because he was associated with Him during the Lanka war and even just

because he was a bhakta does not give him any immunity from Prarabdhakarma.

If a devotee has to escape it, he has to make a specific prapatthi for that.

In fact a wise mumkshu doing prapadanam will incorporate a request for such

an escape along with. This is evident from even acasual reading of

NYASADASAKAM slokas.

Desikan

 

 

 

 

desikan

 

 

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