Austrian research on Visishtadvaita (Pancharatra)

[Guest guest]

Many of the articles on Pancharatra are actually in English and have

appeared in recent issues of WZKS. These are all very good studies.

 

Sincerely,

 

Vishal Agarwal

*****

 

Mani wrote -

 

They also appear to have

done extensive study on the role and evolution of of Pancaratra

philosophy.

 

Has anyone looked into these works? I realize they are mostly

in German, but I am very impressed by how much work these people

have put into this. As a group we should support and encourage

them for all they are doing.

 

ramanuja dasan

Mani

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Vishal

 

I would like to point out that Visistadhvaitha is Vedantha Matham and

Panchratraa is an Aaagama...by many Vaishnavaas and Sri Vaishnavaas.

 

Though In Visitatdhavitha Vedantha System Pancratara Aaagama is held

in high esteem.and that the Scholars have defended Pancrathraa,prooved

its validity (against refutatation from NirVisesha Advaitha school..)

 

We also have Vaikanasaa Aagama the other popular Vaishnava Aaagama

that is in vogue.

 

I humbly feel the way you mentioned viz "Vistathdvaitha(Panchratra)"

is slightly misleading which some may think that Visitadhvaitha and

Pancrathra are synonyms and that they are different names for an aagama...

 

 

regards

Venkat

 

[ Technical note: Vedanta is more properly described as a

'darsana', not a 'mata'. -- Moderator ]

[Guest guest]

While it is true that there are two well-recognized Agama-s in VishNu

worship, it is not correct to treat them as equal in their

commonalities with respect to viSishTAdvaita. The two Agama-s differ

in their treatment of SrI, the practice of pa'nca samskAra, the vyUha

concept, their position on the rahasya-traya-s, etc. Clearly,

pA'ncarAtra is much closer to the viSishTAsdvaita philosophy than

vaikhAnasa is. While it is true that the phrase "pAncarAtra

(viSishTAdvaita)" is misleading by suggesting that the two are

equivalent terms, it is also not correct to say that the commonality

between vaikhAnasa and viSishTAdvaita is anywhere close to the level

of commonality between pAncarAtra and viSishTAdvaita. I have dealt

with the commonalities between pA'ncarAtra and viSishTAdvaita in a

previous write-up. I will submit a write-up on vaikhAnasa in the

future. In the meantime, as Dr. Sadagopan had indicated in one of

his write-ups, experts in the Agamam field are requested to

contribute and share their knowledge on these issues which are not

well understood by the likes of me.

 

-dAsan kRshNamAcAryan

 

 

bhakti-list, "ks_venkat" <ksvenkat@e...> wrote:

> Dear Vishal

>

> I would like to point out that Visistadhvaitha is Vedantha Matham

and

> Panchratraa is an Aaagama...by many Vaishnavaas and Sri Vaishnavaas.

>

> Though In Visitatdhavitha Vedantha System Pancratara Aaagama is held

> in high esteem.and that the Scholars have defended

Pancrathraa,prooved

> its validity (against refutatation from NirVisesha Advaitha

school..)

>

> We also have Vaikanasaa Aagama the other popular Vaishnava Aaagama

> that is in vogue.

>

> I humbly feel the way you mentioned viz "Vistathdvaitha(Panchratra)"

> is slightly misleading which some may think that Visitadhvaitha and

> Pancrathra are synonyms and that they are different names for an

aagama...

>

>

> regards

> Venkat

>

[Guest guest]

I do agree that Pancharatra is not the same as Vedanta. In the

Sampradaya however, the validity of Pancharatra is accepted almost at

par with that of sruti and in this regard, the Sribhashya on the last

adhikarana of the second pada of the second adhyaya of Brahmasutras

is very instructive.

Sri Ramanujacharya follows the Narayaniya section of the Mahabharata

to emphasize that the Pancharatra itself is also from the Lord

Narayana.

 

In fact, while Sri Ramanuja does not really quote these texts as an

authority, a comparison of his views with Pancharatra views on

Brahman are very illuminating. A lot of his interpretations of the

sutras have much to do with the Pancharatra samhitas (wherever they

treat the nature of God). It is of course another point that they are

also consistent with the import of the sutras themselves, but the

emphasis on certain features is clearly drawn from the Pancharatra

viewpoint.

 

Sincerely,

 

Vishal Agarwal

 

bhakti-list, "ks_venkat" <ksvenkat@e...> wrote:

> Dear Vishal

>

> I would like to point out that Visistadhvaitha is Vedantha Matham

and

> Panchratraa is an Aaagama...by many Vaishnavaas and Sri Vaishnavaas.

>

> Though In Visitatdhavitha Vedantha System Pancratara Aaagama is held

> in high esteem.and that the Scholars have defended

Pancrathraa,prooved

> its validity (against refutatation from NirVisesha Advaitha

school..)

>

> We also have Vaikanasaa Aagama the other popular Vaishnava Aaagama

> that is in vogue.

>

> I humbly feel the way you mentioned viz "Vistathdvaitha(Panchratra)"

> is slightly misleading which some may think that Visitadhvaitha and

> Pancrathra are synonyms and that they are different names for an

aagama...

>

>

> regards

> Venkat