Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 This is in response to the question raised by Smt. Bhooma on the difference between the words ASramam and maTham. Purely based on the meanings given in the dictionary, and looking at the derivation of the words from their roots, it seems that both the words ASrama and maTham refer to hermitages of sages. The word ASramam is derived from the root Srama – to be strained or fatigued. One of the amara koSa vyAkhyAna-s describes that this is a place where one rests as a result of the fatigue resulting from the observance of one's sva-dharam (sva-dharma sAdhana kleSAt). The dictionary meaning for ASramam is as follows: ASramam – a hermitage, hut, cell, dwelling or abode of ascetics. - a stage, order, or period, of the religious life of a brAhmaNa. - a wood or thicket where ascetics practice penance. The word maTham is derived from the root maTh – nivAsayoh – to dwell, to inhabit. The dictionary meaning given for the word math is as follows: maTham - The hut of an ascetic, a small cell or room, A monastery, convent, A seminary, college, place of learning It is unclear to me as to why certain sanyAsins' dwelling or hermitage has been called ASramam, and others have been called maTham, based on the above. -Krishnamachari ============== > "gbhooma" <gbhooma > Wed Nov 27, 2002 8:09 am >Subject: >Can someone explain the difference between madam and asramam, please. >Regards >Bhooma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2002 Report Share Posted November 30, 2002 Sir, I think, coming to the Srishnavan usage, the difference between Ahramam and Matham(Matam) is basically of the lineage of the Pontiff. A Matham is one established by one of our Acharyas and which has got a lineage of Pontiffs. For example, the Tirupati Jeeyar Mutt, which takes care of the daily activities of the temple was established by Sri Manavalamamunigal and service to Lord Srinivasa is the only activity of the Jeeyars of the 2 Mutts in Tirupati. And most of the mutts are associated with a temple(Divyadesam). An Ashram, on the other hand, is the hermitage or again a mutt of a Jeeyar who does not belong to any Mutt which is already being established; any person can take Sanyasam and after that he cannot continue to live in his house. So, he takes up a life of a Sanyasi. Thus his hermitage is called an Ahram. For example the Tridandi Sriman Narayana Jeeyar took Sanyasam; but he does not belong to any of the established Mutts. So his hermitage is called an Ashram. Andavan Ashramam is another example. This is only my interpretation and I thought of just sharing with the elders of the group and I request them to correct me if I am wrong. Regards Chakravarthy (Note from Moderator: I have always thought that many ASramam-s are established lineages, such as the Srirangam ANDavan ASramam, the pouNDArIkapuram ASramam, etc. It will help if someone who has contacts can approach our AcArya-s and get clarification on the difference. Eveything, including maTh-s, were established starting at some point in time. This is true of established ASramam-s as well as established maTh-s). ______________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, TV. visit http://in.tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2002 Report Share Posted November 30, 2002 /Om namO nArAyaNAya | /namaskArams to all. An /AShram by definition of the meaning attached to it is self-sufficient with labor attached to it. That is, the /AShram must have a garden for flowers, an orchard for fruits, and grazeland and provisions for the cattle and animals. This is true even of the four /Ashrams, where the definition is loosened to allow for making a living by direct labor. Labor is not necessarily manual, but exertion and effort. Even in the case of a /brahma/caryaH, it is necesasry for the young person to do chores to earn his or her living. The main characteristic of an /AShram is the preservation of the individuality of the person or persons living there. Each one makes a direct contribution. A /matam on the other hand is a system of public orientation. No labor is required per se. It is a system of beliefs and canons including /yamA and /niyamA that are prescribed or encouraged. In modern times Mahatma Gandhi implemened the philosophy of the /AShrams. His ideas for independence had been experimented in a small scale in his /AShrams Tolstoy Farm and Phoenix Farm in South Africa. His problem was how to convert those ideas into the public domain; that is, from small scale research into manufaturing on a large scale. As we know, it is no mean task. That brings out another comparison between the two concepts. /Ashrams are research stations experimenting with public good on a small scale to convert the successful ideas to /matam. The more /Ashrams suvcceed, the better a counry will be. And Gandhiji was very successful in /Warda and /Sabarmati Ashrams. /vantanam. Visu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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