Guest guest Posted December 16, 2002 Report Share Posted December 16, 2002 sirs, it is often stated both in free talk and in scriptures that god showers his blessings on his devotees.can this statement not be wrongly assumed to mean that He doesn't bless those who are not his devotees? [i only say this assumption is wrong(or faulty)because sriman narayana is the parabramhan,who has conquered all vices,and is the great creator of this universe and is thus by way of being a parent among other things.] if such assumptions exist then should they not be corrected? I speak in ignorance and beg you to forgive me if i have offended your feelings in any way. dasan ______________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, TV. visit http://in.tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2002 Report Share Posted December 16, 2002 Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha Dear Siddharth, I am just writing down what I know from what I have heard. Please forgive me if there are any mistakes. The statement that you had mentioned: "that god showers his blessings on his devotees" is one of those that are discussed in the Tharka/Vyakarana Shastra The discussion is about how one should interpret statements when he/she reads them in the absence of the author. It is also important to find out what was the question behind the statement. One famous example is, person A asks : "Can I dump trash here?" and then B replies "No you should not dump trash here." Someone who just heard B's statement alone, might interpret that "One can dump trash everywhere else other than the place mentioned by B .. B's reply was only to A's question. B did not comment about whether the trash could be dumped in other places or not. Similarly when we read God Showers his blessings on his devotees we should analyse that carefully. Upon analysis you would find that the actual question behind that was "Does god shower his blessings on his devotees?". So, the statement doesn't comment about whether god showers his blessings on others or not. Secondly, God gives the fruit of everyone's action. For every action he gives the right fruit 'cos he is THE perfect judge. In case of his devotees, they surrender to him and hence he takes care of their actions and that is what is meant by blessing. Blessing the devotee - bhakthi yoga / prapatthi (god's devotee) Getting the appropriate fruit for the action - karma yoga (one need not be god's devotee, but would eventually become one in the path) One can attain moksham through both the above paths. So, my opinion is that, that statement need not be corrected. My apologies in case of mistakes. Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan, Lakshmi Narasimhan ---- bhakti-list Monday, December 16, 2002 10:52:03 bhakti-list Pl. clarify sirs, it is often stated both in free talk and in scriptures that god showers his blessings on his devotees.can this statement not be wrongly assumed to mean that He doesn't bless those who are not his devotees? [i only say this assumption is wrong(or faulty)because sriman narayana is the parabramhan,who has conquered all vices,and is the great creator of this universe and is thus by way of being a parent among other things.] if such assumptions exist then should they not be corrected? I speak in ignorance and beg you to forgive me if i have offended your feelings in any way. dasan - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list Group Home: bhakti-list Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2002 Report Share Posted December 16, 2002 Blessings are in different forms First God will test devotees with lot of sufferings and which will give only sorrows and finally only God will bless, because the ego should be completely destroyed. bhattathiry - "sidharth rajagopalan" <svpsarathy <bhakti-list> Monday, December 16, 2002 7:39 PM Pl. clarify > > sirs, > > it is often stated both in free talk and in scriptures > > that god showers his blessings on his devotees.can > this > statement not be wrongly assumed to mean that He > doesn't bless those who are not his devotees? > [i only say this assumption is wrong(or faulty)because > sriman narayana is the parabramhan,who has conquered > all vices,and is the great creator of this universe > and is thus by way of being a parent among other > things.] > > if such assumptions exist then should they not be > corrected? > > I speak in ignorance and beg you to forgive me if i > have offended your feelings in any way. > > dasan > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 Dear Mr. Pradeep, Your message is correct, yesterday I heard the same thathuvam during the Thiruppavai, Kalakshebam at Secunderabad by Sri U.Ve. Ramanujacharyar. during the Muthal Paasura Vyakyanam. Regards. Sri Ramanuja Dasan. R. PADMANABHAN. --- "Pradeep Janakiraman <pradeepjanakiraman" <pradeepjanakiraman wrote: > In my opinion, God's grace is like the rain-water, > or the sunshine > that falls upon everything beneath, irrespective of > whether its a > beautiful rose or some foul-smelling tank. > > Its upto the individual to realize it and make use > of that grace. God > never sends anyone empty handed. Once we approach > him, His Grace > flows. God is said to be "avYaaja karunaa, aHaituki > Karunaa" etc. > > The Devas seek his help, so he protects them. The > Asuras hate him, so > he vanquishes them. Sri Krishna was available for > the asking before > the war, and Duryodhana even got the first chance, > but he wanted only > Krishna's army while Arjuna wanted Krishna himself. > > Thus in my opinion, God's grace is always available, > only that we > should understand it and make use of it. > > -- Pradeep > ______________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, TV. visit http://in.tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 Dear Ramanuja dasas.. there are different perspectives in viewing how God bestows his boons to the people. each perspective come one from the stand point of bhakti( emotional), Gyana ( intellectual) and beyond both these from Athmathathva.. as far as bhakthi is concerned God is Love , embodied.. He infinite Love. so as someone else has pointed out the rain does not fall with preference.. He showers His blessings to one and all. but the questions then arises.does even the people who commit malevolent actions enjoy His blessings? this is to be approached from intectual stand point..' He has to walk between the lines of karunya and Justice. just as the Judge who declares ( or supposed to declare) proper verdict even if the guilty is his own son. so He does not bestow the showers to all undeserving. and beyond that standing from Athma thathva... the boon giving God ceases to exist as it is that one supreme Purusha that indwells in us all as Antharyamin. so external God no more exist. so Showering of His grace does not stand valid.. every thing gets decided based on the persons own Prarabdha.. but the third seems to atheistic ( though it is the truth) so the second is the right answer..as always intellectual approach is superiour to emotional approach. this is my personal view and deseres commented either in group or in person ID sowmithran luving Srirama dasan --- sidharth rajagopalan <svpsarathy wrote: > > sirs, > > it is often stated both in free talk and in > scriptures > > that god showers his blessings on his devotees.can > this > statement not be wrongly assumed to mean that He > doesn't bless those who are not his devotees? > > > dasan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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