re - vali vadham - discussion

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri vaishNava perunthagaiyeer,

 

Sriman Hari krishnan has given us a wonderful treat in the yearend to welcome

the new year with a devotional heart.

 

This feast is named "raama kadha" on the controversial topic of "vaali vadham".

 

On Sunday 22.12.2002 in the Hindu magazine section, in his coverage Sri Gopal

gandhi, remembering the great statesman Sri C.Rajagopalachari stated following

sentence connected to our topic.

 

Sri CR is "a devotee of raamaa who could yet say that the killing of vaali by

the prince of ayOdhyaa was and will remain indefensible".

 

Such is the nature of the topic but sri Hari krishnan has given this

"indefensible" topic a very good account, for each reader to take his own side

and conclusion.

 

To start the discussion on this topic, the following point is brought out.

 

In the verse of kamban where raamaa asks sugreeva to have the identification

garland "gajapushpee" there is a significant word according to me about which

Sri hari krishnan can give his account.

 

Let us see the verse first.

malaintha pOdhu inainthu ravi sEi aiyan maattu aNugi

ulaintha sindhaiyOdu uNanginan vaNangida uLLam

kulainthidEl umai vERRumai therinthilam kodippoo

milainthu selga ena viduththanan edhirththanan meettum.

 

Here the word "vaNangida" is a special word, which I feel is not there in

vaalmeeki.

 

For in vaalmeeki

"apasyan raaGhavam naatham" - slokam 21 sargam 22 kishkindhaa kaanDam

 

"hreemaan dheenam uvaacha idham vasuDhaam avalOkayan" - ibid - slOkam 22 .

>From these two, it is clear sugreeva saw raama, sugreeva was ashamed and saw

only the ground, while addressing raamaa in a way asking "why you have not shot

the arrow killing vaali" etc.

 

so vaalmeeki does not say this "vaNangida" but that is a kamban special.

 

Why I highlight this, is, raama hesitated to shoot because this vaNakkam -

submissiveness- sarNaagathy - has not come earlier.

 

Once that has come, the shooting took place. Bhagavaan waits for this total

submissiveness.

The purpose is achieved.

 

As our moderator swamin has rightly pointed out kamban is a very serious

srivaishnavan.

"That is adequately brought out through this reference" is my opinion.

 

I solicit comments from Sri Hari krishnan as well other bhagavathaas on this.

 

Thanks and wishing all bhakthaas a very happy new year by the divine grace of my

krishna.

 

Dhasan

 

Vasudevan m.g.

 

PS: Further I request sri hari krishnan to post the topic hanuman - the trusted

deputy to the list since it was referred more than once in his write up.

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Vasudevan and all the members of the list,

 

I thank all of you for your kind words. I thank sincerely all the members who

have written both here and in private appreciating the effort. Let the Lord who

rules our hearts lead us to light, righteousness and truth.

 

I thank you Sri Vasudevan for initiating the discussion. You are very right.

The word 'vaNangida' is a Kamabn special. The way Sugriva approaches Sri Rama

greatly differs in Kamban. This has been pointed out in my posting No.28 'In

Silence I stand before you'. I hope the question is answered there.

 

I would like to lay emphasis on the fact that the 'saraNagathy' took place in

the very first verse that Sugriva utters to Rama. (Please see Vali Vadham 5:

The unintended faux pas and Vali Vadham 20: The case restated). I quote the

words of Sugriva again here: **'charan unaip pugundhEn.' I surrender unto you.

'enaith thaangudhal dharumam endran.' It is your dharma to protect me.**

The very tone in which Rama begins his solicitation changes immediately. He

turns into a protector in the very next verse.

 

I would rather prefer to listen from the learned members of the list. I think

it would be much better to wait for the questions and discussions to build up,

before I say anything on these, as only that can lead to a fruitful discussion.

 

As for the references to Hanuman (The Trusted Deputy). As most of you may be

aware, I have been writing for around two years now on Ramayana, a character

study in ChennaiOnline. With His Grace, Mercy, Will and Guidance, I will be

completing my 700th instalment soon. The captions that I have been giving as

cross references were originally intended for ChennaiOnline to link the relevant

pages. I did not have time to revise and remove those references when I sent

these articles to Bhakti List. Kindly bear with me for that.

 

It would not have been possible for me to have continued with my pursuit but for

the support of ChennaiOnline.

 

There are about 35 or 40 instalments devoted to Hanuman and his development as a

devotee from the minister that he was to Sugriva. If it is considered fit, I

would send those to the list. They are very systematically archived in

ChennaiOnline as well.

 

I invite members to ChennaiOnline's Daily Religion column. I have just started

the study on our Mother, the gracious Mahalakshmi, Sita.

 

 

With prayers for peace and prosperity in the New Year,

 

Sincerely,

Hari Krishnan

 

 

 

 

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"M.G.Vasudevan" <mgv

<bhakti-list>

Monday, December 30, 2002 12:08 PM

re - vali vadham - discussion

 

 

|

| Here the word "vaNangida" is a special word, which I feel is not there in

vaalmeeki.

 

|

| so vaalmeeki does not say this "vaNangida" but that is a kamban special.

|

| Why I highlight this, is, raama hesitated to shoot because this vaNakkam -

submissiveness- sarNaagathy - has not come earlier.

|

| Once that has come, the shooting took place. Bhagavaan waits for this total

submissiveness.

| The purpose is achieved.

|

|

| Dhasan

|

| Vasudevan m.g.

|

| PS: Further I request sri hari krishnan to post the topic hanuman - the

trusted deputy to the list since it was referred more than once in his write up.