Guest guest Posted January 7, 2003 Report Share Posted January 7, 2003 Dear moderator: I am posting below a note for Srimati Vathsala Srinivasan. With kind regards, Prema Nandakumar Dear Srimati Vathsala: The Alwars who initiated the Bhakti Movement took several genres from ancient Tamil Sangham poetry and transformed what was essentially secular into sacred instruments. The Thai Neeradal (or Amba Adal) you find in Sangham texts like Paripadal becomes the Pavai Nonbu. However, unlike the ancient Tamil girls who prayed for a good husband, the cowherdesses pray for Krishna's Grace (kainkarya). Again, the Kama worship was familiar to the ancient Tamils. For instance, Jeevaka Chintamani has plenty to tell about a Kama temple and how a girl went in to pray to Kama to grant her a good husband. I guess Andal used this familiar idea but transformed the prayer into one for gaining Krishna Himself. With kind regards, Yours sincerely Prema Nandakumar ______________________ ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2003 Report Share Posted January 7, 2003 Dear Bhagavatas: What I have heard from Acharyas is that ANDAL was NOT praying to Kaama but to "Saakshath Manmata Manmata:" who is none other than her KrishNa Himself! She is unlike other girls who are after getting a good husband. In fact, she says "maniDarkku PEchup paDil naan VaazhagillEn" - "I will not live to marry a mere mortal man" Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy >Nandakumar <try_premnand >bhakti-list >bhakti-list >Re: Digest Number 793 >Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:27:25 +0530 > >>Dear Srimati Vathsala: >The Alwars who initiated the Bhakti Movement took several genres from >ancient Tamil Sangham poetry and transformed what was essentially secular >into sacred instruments. The Thai Neeradal (or Amba Adal) you find in >Sangham texts like Paripadal becomes the Pavai Nonbu. However, unlike the >ancient Tamil girls who prayed for a good husband, the cowherdesses pray >for >Krishna's Grace (kainkarya). >Again, the Kama worship was familiar to the ancient Tamils. For instance, >Jeevaka Chintamani has plenty to tell about a Kama temple and how a girl >went in to pray to Kama to grant her a good husband. >I guess Andal used this familiar idea but transformed the prayer into one >for gaining Krishna Himself. > >With kind regards, Yours sincerely Prema Nandakumar >______________________ >______________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2003 Report Share Posted January 7, 2003 Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha Dear Shri Swamin, Please accept my pranams. That was an excellent way to interpret it. I was taken aback a little wondering why would Shri Andal worship manmatan. Thanks for the wonderful viewpoint. For those who are not familiar with that reference, Shri Vyasa Bhagavan describes Shri Krishna Paramatma in mahabharatha in the following verses: Thaasamaashruda bhushourihi smayamaana mukhambhujaha Peetambaratharashragvee saakshaath manmatha manmathaha My apologies for any mistakes. Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan, Lakshmi Narasimhan ---- bhakti-list Tuesday, January 07, 2003 16:48:08 bhakti-list Re: Digest Number 793 Dear Bhagavatas: What I have heard from Acharyas is that ANDAL was NOT praying to Kaama but to "Saakshath Manmata Manmata:" who is none other than her KrishNa Himself! She is unlike other girls who are after getting a good husband. In fact, she says "maniDarkku PEchup paDil naan VaazhagillEn" - "I will not live to marry a mere mortal man" Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2003 Report Share Posted January 7, 2003 Dear Sir, When we see those pasurams, she refers "Kamadeva" as a seperate entity othes than Krishnaa as perumaaL himself and says "ennai (nee) vithikiRRiyE" to kaamadeva. This does not seem to refer emperumaan as kamadeva. Regards, Nanmaaran Ram Anbil <Ramanbil wrote:Dear Bhagavatas: What I have heard from Acharyas is that ANDAL was NOT praying to Kaama but to "Saakshath Manmata Manmata:" who is none other than her KrishNa Himself! She is unlike other girls who are after getting a good husband. In fact, she says "maniDarkku PEchup paDil naan VaazhagillEn" - "I will not live to marry a mere mortal man" Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy ----------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list Group Home: bhakti-list Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 apropos the mail from Smt.Vathsala Srinivasan and the note posted by Prema Nandakumar, I am to draw their attention to my earlier posting on nacciyar thirumoli, which have been posted in the bhakti list. Please refer to three articles posted between Dec. 14, 2002 and Dec. 18, 2002, by searching the archives under "ramani naidu". The message numbers are 16809, 16818, and 16831. bhakti-list/message/16809 bhakti-list/message/16818 bhakti-list/message/16831 Ramani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 Dear Smt Prema, Thanks for your answer.I agree that Kama worship has been there for decades and all the poets from sangam times to kannadasan has sung about kama. But my question is that why it is included in divya prabandam?Iam not questioning how and why she sung on Kama but why nathamunigal has included those pasurams in divyaprabandam?. Vathsala Srinivasan. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 Sri.Sampath Rengarajan has written an excellent article about the "mAdal' genre of Thirumangai Mannan. http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/alvars/kaliyan/madal/index.html Regards, Malolan Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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