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I do not think Shankara had referenced to Bhagavatam either. There is a

theory that Bhagavatam came into existence much latter - 11 th or 12th

century, although it is attributed to Vyaasa. Same is true with respect

to Brahmasuutra-s of Badarayana. Vishal Agarwaal had a post related to

this.

 

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> I have a question. When going thru most of Sri Ramanuja's works, we

> only find references to Vishnu and Paadma puranam. There is hardly

> any reference to Srimad Bhagavatam.

>

> I have a doubt here. Would it be the case that parts of Bhagavatam

> talk more about monism and are advaitic in nature ? Could that be why

> Ramanuja chose not to quote extensively from it ?

>

> Can someone throw light on this ?

>

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"K.P. Sarathy <saratpk" <saratpk wrote:Tue,

21 Jan 2003 16:26:18 -0000

"K.P. Sarathy "

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Re: Ramanuja & Bhagavatam

 

SriVaishanavas do not accept the theory that Srimad Bhagavatham was

a later work though this idea is widely used in modern research

publications. It is a sAtvic puranam and since its basis is on the

supremacy of SriKrishna there was no need for Sri Bhashyakarar to

use this in his work.

Dr. K. P. Sarathy

 

bhakti-list, kuntimaddi sadananda

wrote:

> I do not think Shankara had referenced to Bhagavatam either. There

is a

> theory that Bhagavatam came into existence much latter - 11 th or

12th

> century, although it is attributed to Vyaasa. Same is true with

respect

> to Brahmasuutra-s of Badarayana. Vishal Agarwaal had a post

related to

> this.

>

> Hari OM!

> Sadananda

>

>

>

> --- "Pradeep Janakiraman

"

>

wrote:

> > I have a question. When going thru most of Sri Ramanuja's works,

we

> > only find references to Vishnu and Paadma puranam. There is

hardly

> > any reference to Srimad Bhagavatam.

> >

> > I have a doubt here. Would it be the case that parts of

Bhagavatam

> > talk more about monism and are advaitic in nature ? Could that be

why

> > Ramanuja chose not to quote extensively from it ?

> >

> > Can someone throw light on this ?

> >

> > radhe krishna

> >

> >

> >

> > -----------------------------

> > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH -

> > To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list

> > Group Home: bhakti-list

> > Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

> >

> >

> >

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is your gift to Him - Swami Chinmayananda.

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> I do not think Shankara had referenced to Bhagavatam either. There is a

> theory that Bhagavatam came into existence much latter - 11 th or 12th

> century, although it is attributed to Vyaasa. Same is true with respect

> to Brahmasuutra-s of Badarayana. Vishal Agarwaal had a post related to

> this.

 

Ref: http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/feb2001/0180.html

 

The Brahmasuutra-s are clearly pre-Buddhist and pre-jaina. This is in

reference to the above URL and Sri Vishal's excellent post.

 

However, Srimad Bhagavatam also does not have reference to Buddha and the

jain thiirthankara, King Rishabha. This clearly puts the authorship of

Srimad Bhagavatam much anterior to Gautama Buddha.

 

Regards,

 

Malolan Cadambi

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--- Malolan Cadambi <cadambi wrote:

> However, Srimad Bhagavatam also does not have

> reference to Buddha and the

> jain thiirthankara, King Rishabha.

 

No, the 1st Canto Chapter 3 verses 13 and 24 of Srimad

Bhagavatam does mention about Lord Buddha, son of

Anjana and Lord Rsabha, son of King Nabhi.

 

In verse 24, appearance of Lord Buddha is predicted

 

tatah kalau sampravrtte sammohaya sura-dvisam

buddho namnanjana-sutah kikatesu bhavisyati

 

Then, in the beginning of Kali-yuga, the Lord will

appear as Lord Buddha, the son of Anjana, in the

province of Gaya, just for the purpose of deluding

those who are envious of the faithful theist.

 

And is Lord Rsabha mentioned in verse 13

 

astame merudevyam tu nabher jata urukramah

darsayan vartma dhiranam sarvasrama-namaskrtam

 

The eighth incarnation was King Rsabha, son of King

Nabhi and his wife Merudevi. In this incarnation the

Lord showed the path of perfection, which is followed

by those who have fully controlled their senses and

who are honored by all orders of life.

 

Source: A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Srimad

Bhagavatam, BBT Publications.

 

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> In verse 24, appearance of Lord Buddha is predicted

>

> tatah kalau sampravrtte sammohaya sura-dvisam

> buddho namnanjana-sutah kikatesu bhavisyati

>

> Then, in the beginning of Kali-yuga, the Lord will

> appear as Lord Buddha, the son of Anjana, in the

> province of Gaya, just for the purpose of deluding

> those who are envious of the faithful theist.

 

Before one proceeds in learning and understanding the purAnA-s, one has to

important learn sanskrit. It is pretty obvious that the above verse does not

refer to Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama 580 BCE - 460 BCE).

 

Let us analyse it. But, first let us know more about Buddha (or Siddhartha

Gautama 580 BCE - 460 BCE).

 

Siddhartha Gautama was the son of King Suddhodhana and Maya. Moreover,

Siddharta was born in Lumbini not Kikata as the above verse points out.

 

But, the above verse referes to Buddha, the son on Anjana. It is elementary

knowledge that the Buddha reffered to in the Bhagavatam is not Siddhartha

Gautama.

 

Over the years, Buddhist zealots tried to equate the Buddha of Srimad

Bhagavatam to Siddhartha Gautama, in order to win favour of the hindus. This

is similar to some semitic religions who tried to claim superiority over the

other. One manifestation of that fanaticism lead to centuries of violence

and hatred which continues to date.

 

But that scenario is not the same in India, the holy land of the democratic

sages. Buddhism and Hinduims have never had any recored history of mass

violence, unlike what was seen throughout history in the middle east and

medieval europe. Both religions share common places of worship and have very

cordial relationships. Gaya in Bihar, Muktinath in Nepal are two such

examples. Visit http://www.muktinath.org for more details.

>

> And is Lord Rsabha mentioned in verse 13

>

> astame merudevyam tu nabher jata urukramah

> darsayan vartma dhiranam sarvasrama-namaskrtam

>

> The eighth incarnation was King Rsabha, son of King

> Nabhi and his wife Merudevi. In this incarnation the

> Lord showed the path of perfection, which is followed

> by those who have fully controlled their senses and

> who are honored by all orders of life.

 

Then, should it not be imperative of the Jains to base their beliefs on the

Srimad Bhagavatam? If following that verse, it would also require that the

Jains base their beliefs and source of axiomatic truths on the prasthana

trayam. They, however do not.

 

The same argument of identification applies. Inasmuch as the Jains claim

that the Rishabhadeva is their first thiirthankara and that he is indeed

extolled in Srimad Bhagvatam, they consistenly reject the very ideals that

King Rishabhadeva stood for and preached in the Srimad Bhagavatam.

 

Let me give you an example, Jains do not accept the presence of the Brahman,

let alone the veda-s or even Vyasa himself!

 

But as again, both faiths have never had any recorded history of mass

violence. The dharmAdhikari (head) of Dharmastala, a famous Shiva Temple in

coastal Karnataka is a Jain. Jains equally worship at all hindu sacred

places and have contributed richly to Indian architecture. The fantastic

Mount Abu temple in Rajasthan is one such example. Apart from that, the

Jains are also a prominent trading community and one of the drivers of the

Indian economy!

 

This again reaffirms to the fact of Indian Democracry since the ages. Forget

ancient Greece and Egypt. A tolerance and even acceptance of other religions

was displayed by the Hindu rulers of those ages!

 

 

Regards,

 

Malolan Cadambi

Austin,TX

USA.

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> The staunch vaishnavite might always find it tough to accept Buddha

> or Jaina being reffered to in any work.

 

That is because Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama) is not mentioned in *ANY* work.

Besides, none of the standard buddhist texts themselves regard Buddha as an

avatara of srimann nArayana. However, there have been innumerable

interpolations by scores of people. Enough said about them.

 

In the hagiography of jain thiirthankara-s, the story of Rishabha, the first

of the thiirthankara-s is very very different from that in the Srimad

Bhagavatam. Clearly an identification of the jain thiirthankara to the

bhagavatam is a vague interpolation. This might have been done either

consciously or unconsciously.

> But the complications only continue. Because, in "jayadeva-ashtapati"

> the very first song talks about the 10-avatars and one of them refers

> to Buddha.

>

> Ashtapati, is a very well known part of 'sampradaaya-bhajanai' being

> followed by all bhagavataas, during any 'radha-kalyaanam'.

 

No. Ashtapati is not followed by every sampradayam, and certainly not by the

Sri Sampradayam. This list focuses on the Sri Sampradayam. A discussion of

the Ashtapati is beyond the scope. Moreover, Ashtapati is not a prakarana

grantha, so there is no meaning in accepting it as a standard work. Please

realise that I do not have any ad hominem to the author of asthapati. He is

very respected. To oppose philosophically is very different from

disrespecting.

> But it is true that they do not base their 'siddhanta' on the Vedas.

> So we(asthikaas) dont accept either the Boudhas or the Jainas.

>

> Also, one should recollect that 'ahimsa' and life of extreme docility

> is not something for the entire race. We have a way of life called

> the 'sanyaasa' for that purpose.

 

Ahimsa and sanyAsa are not inspired by the jain religion. They are eternally

present in the prasthana trayam.

 

Regards,

 

Malolan Cadambi

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