Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Dear SrI VKV: In response to your two queries , I would like to start with your second question on Jeevan Mukthi's acceptability in VisishtAdhvaitham : Jeevan Mukthi( achievement of Mukthi, while still being associated with the body) is not accepted by VisishtAdhvaithins. Advaitha accepts it. We reject it. Swamy Desikan advances reason why Jeevan Mukthi is untenable and is a self-contadictory concept in His Tatthva Muktha KalApam ( II-73). The individual continuing with the body after realization of Brahman (BrahmAnuvrutthi) is against the real definition of Mukthi , when the Jeevan (Aathman) is 100% disassociated from the PrANan (vital breath) , sense organs AND the Physical body . In the embodied state , Jeevan is connected with PrANan, sense organs and the physical body . One can not justify the two states (embodied and disembodied ) coexisting . Linking this contradiction to the trace of avidya persisting after BrahmAnuvrutthi to justify Jeevan Mukthi is unacceptable. Regarding your First question , Advaithin believes that there is a higher Brahman above SaguNa Brahman ( One with auspicious a ttributes ). Advaithin describes that "higher Brahman" as NirguNa/NirvisEsha/Para Brahman. SaguNa Brahman is the SavisEsha/Apara/lower Brahman in their system. VisishtAdhvaitham does not to the theory of TWO Brahmans , one lower and another higher. Acharya RaamAnujA (in Jijn~AsadhikaraNam section of SrI BhAshyam) and Swamy Desikan in his Satha DhUshaNi has dismissed conclusively the theory of two Brahmans and have established SaguNa Brahman as the only Brahman, which is the same as the personal God , SrIman NarayaNan.This is a central doctrine of VisishtAdhvaitham . V.Sadagopan >Dear Members, > >Can the member/s clarify the following please ? > >1. In Advaita they call Brahman as infinite / without form / without qualities etc (NIRGUN)- In Visishtadvaita Do we call The Same Supreme Divine as " Narayana". >2. What is the difference between "Jeevan Mukti" and " Moksha" - Does the concept of Jeevan Mukti accepted under Visishtadvaita > >Thank you >VKV. > > > > > > > >Srirangasri- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > ************************************************************** * Sent from Computer.Net Web Portal: http://web.computer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2003 Report Share Posted February 8, 2003 Dear Members, I had a lots of doubts in my mind regarding our Hinduism. Basically I belong to Srivaishnavite Family. I am working for Chiristian Missionary where they basically deal with philosophy. I felt very happy that those poeple are intersted with our culture and ethics. I tried to explain them the contents from Gita as we do normaly a prayer session daily. My question is why we fight internally that my religion is great and why cant we listen to others also. Of course in our religion there are sub divisions like sudra, brahmin,vaishya etc. and we are having lots of gods to pray and treating my rama is great my shiva is great. Why are these diferences among ourselves. I give lot of respect to Hinduism but why are making differences among ourselves on caste and crede basis. Why cant we love people by not seeing the religions caste etc. Sincerely Navilpakam Raman, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Sri Krishnaya Namah! Dear Sir, I agree with you that we all should treat fellow folks as brothers irrespective of caste. Normally brahmagyanis are those who tend to overlook all these barriers. But here again, these noble souls are uninterested (not disinterested) in the life and its maya that they will keep themselves in hibernation. In Kalyuga, expect this from everyone is illogical. In villages, where tradition thrive, people are bent on hard feelings of caste etc., In cities, they are influenced by various external factors - of eking out livelihood, earning fame, money etc., thus they care less for these feelings. Also, Christians (through their religious committees, worldwide) propogate their religion as supreme and likewise Muslims. There is definitely fundamentalists in all religions. Saying that only Hindus have these is pure bias. Infact, we have been robbed off by Christians and Moghuls our precious valuables. Has anyone pinpoint on Hindus having been indulged in such a crime. No religion in the world has as much as sathvik people like we Hindus have. We as hindus are deeply spiritual, just like other religion, and with the influence of Western and eastern philosophies and people, presently we are in confusion. This confusion results in narrow minded people either in love of god or the contrary, while fundamentalist in Hindu religion may have gone ashtray in this while protecting little whatever left over by Moghul rulers and Brits. As far differences in us, it is not a big issue, as long as they continue to pray their ishta devas and seek Him. If there is a violence then they get punished by lord in due course. Sukumar Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah! np raman [sMTP:raman786] 09/02/2003 11:48 AM bhakti-list Re: Fwd: Clarification Dear Members, .......... My question is why we fight internally that my religion is great and why cant we listen to others also. Of course in our religion there are sub divisions like sudra, brahmin,vaishya etc. and we are having lots of gods to pray and treating my rama is great my shiva is great. Why are these diferences among ourselves. I give lot of respect to Hinduism but why are making differences among ourselves on caste and crede basis. Why cant we love people by not seeing the religions caste etc. Sincerely Navilpakam Raman, Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Respected Sir: Your concerns are valid and the same for every sane man on this earth. To understand the why? why not etc. you must first come to grips with certain facts which are : 1. religion is a vast, wide term. It is concieved by man 2. God is also vast, wide term, concieved by man 3. By its very inherent nature, the mind of man is never quiet and is the main mischief maker. 4. There seems to be something beyond the mind The quest of the mind is to find what is in (4) through (1 2 3 ). This is precisely the crises. If the mind is silenced then perhaps (1 2 3 ) may cease and when something ceases, something else becomes visible. It is like smoke clouding the flame. Once the breeze blows away the smoke, then one can see the flame clearly. The word is not the thing. GOD is just a mixture of three alphabets. GOD, the word is not God. By the same reasoning Culture, philosophy, reasoning, prayer, caste etc.are all within the ken of the limited mind and cannot concieve that which is beyond. The crises starts when the mind tries to identify itself with the objects the sense (five in number) organs. This sets in motion an action or speech or inaction or verbalisation. This in turn excites the electrical impulses in the nerve centers and finally a pattern gets etched in the brain. This pattern forms the basis of our behaviour. Another word for this pattern is "experience". Individual experiences cumulated form the base called "memory". Therefore, man functions out of this bundle of highly volatile 'experience-memory' nexus. The mind is never free from this nexus, which is very tight and binding. With each usage of this nexus, one more set of experience gets etched and over a lifetime this process is called Samskara - please do not mix this with the other 'samskara'. Here is the meaning is confined from the Yogic point. This Samskara if not broken, winds its way into our genetic set-up and what we and our progeny reap is the 'Karma'. Anything the mind wants to convince, anything it desires it can achieve. But still it will be within the circle of the known i.e. experience-memory because of the fact of 'recognition' by the 5 senses. Now in Yoga, the emphatic declaration is : Understanding this fundamental basis, one can with sincere efforts of long duration come to a state whereby the clouds of Samskaras and the experience-memory nexus is move away and clarity reigns. What is this clarity? This is not defined. It is simply called "clarity". Something beyond, something invisible, something apparently different and more importantly something eternal. Some of our Rishis, Gurus and Sages have got a taste of this elusive principle. All of us also trying our best to grasp this, but we lack the focus of the Rishis/Gurus and Sages and hence the seemingly never ending delay. The writer does not know whether he has tried to give you some insight into your enquiry.The writer is also in the same boat as you are and the discovery process is actively on. Finally, to answer one part of your query as to why there are differences etc. these are just differences in perception dictated by the ego drive of each man and hence clouded and coloured. Every perception is false. In a perceptionless state that which IS may perhaps show itself briefly. Can you capture the fragrance of a jasmine? It is there for a flash of a moment and then its lost Om Tat Sat Dear Members, ............... My question is why we fight internally that my religion is great and why cant we listen to others also. Of course in our religion there are sub divisions like sudra, brahmin,vaishya etc. and we are having lots of gods to pray and treating my rama is great my shiva is great. Why are these diferences among ourselves. I give lot of respect to Hinduism but why are making differences among ourselves on caste and crede basis. Why cant we love people by not seeing the religions caste etc. Sincerely Navilpakam Raman, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Dear Mr. Raman, I would like to share one of my experiences here. With due respects to christians I would like to mention this. This is one community which helps in the upliftment of their fellow beings unlike our community. In any of their organization, it is observed that they and their fellow people are given more importance unlike our community. Many a times, I have been puzzled by the nonchalant attitude of our people. Thanks Sangeetha (Note: May I rrquest that further discussion on this topic be moved to the sv-general list? Tbanks. -Moderator). - np raman <raman786 <bhakti-list> February 09, 2003 11:47 AM Re: Fwd: Clarification > Dear Members, > > > > My question is why we fight internally that my > religion is great and why cant we listen to others > also. Of course in our religion there are sub > divisions like sudra, brahmin,vaishya etc. and we are > having lots of gods to pray and treating my rama is > great my shiva is great. Why are these diferences > among ourselves. > > > Sincerely > Navilpakam Raman, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Dear Members, In this discussion regarding equality of all persons, it may be relevant to quote our own Shri Ramanujacharya, from his commentary on Bhagawad Gita, Slokam VI-30 : The sloka is the famous "yo maam pashyati sarvatra sarvam cha mayi pashyati". The translation of the Sanskrit commentary has been reproduced below from the web-site: http://www.gitasupersite.iitk.ac.in/ "He who, having reached the highest stage of maturity, views similarity of nature with Me, i.e., sees similarity of all selves to Myself when they are freed from good and evil and when they remain in Their own essence, as declared in the Sruti, 'Stainless he attains supreme degree of equality' (Mun. U., 3.1.3); and 'sees Me in all selves and sees all selves in Me.' That is, on viewing one of Them (selves), one views another also to be the same, because of their similarity to one another. To him who perceives the nature of his own self, I am not lost on account of My similarity to him i.e., I do not become invisible to him. He (the Yogin) viewing his own self as similar to Me, always remains within My sight when I am viewing Myself, because of similarity of his self with Me." The qualification for this ability of universal perception involving equality is, as stated in the first line of the commentary, "having reached the highest stage of maturity". Our scriptures have their origin in such evolved persons and they could not have prescribed inequality as a way of life for spiritual aspirants. Dasan, Krishnaswamy M.K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2003 Report Share Posted March 25, 2003 hello bhakthas i have recently joined this group i am intrested very much in this group i am a priest at sri ranganatha swamy temple, avenue rd cross rangaswamy temple street, bangalore 560053 karnataka india ph 080-2205718 i am intrested in setting up a sanskrit library and a cultural library of hinduism and related fields at my temple place. i am searching for a good soft ware for library would any body give me some good details about how to set up thanks sincerely a s g balaji c 70 g floor maruthi complex g floor maruthi complex rangaswamy temple street bangalore 560053 karnataka india Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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