Digest Number 847 [Lord Narasimhan]

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Dear All,

 

Namaskarams.

 

I would like to put forth my little knowledge on your query. There is a basic

difference in the characters of Vaali/Ravana and Iranyakashipu. Though Vaali and

Raavana did committed punishable mistake, they were not athiest and were doing

their regular austerities as they are believer of Supreme Godhead. But in case

of Iranyakashipu due to the ego on a/c of the boon he got he started opposing

Supreme Godhead Himself.

 

Another important reason is the purpose of avathaaram. Ramaavatharam is to

establish the righteousness of a responsible person and also to kill Raavana.

But in Nrusimhaavataaram is not to kill Iranyakashipu but to save Prahlad.

Mukkur Lakshmi Narasimhachariar Swami use to say in his upanyasam that Lord

Lakshminrusimhan before killing Iranyakashipu touched his heart to find out

whether Iranyakashipu's idea of killing Prahlad and opposing Lord Narayanan is

intentional or not. He also said Lord would have pardoned Iranyakashipu if his

idea is unintentional. This establishes the Kaarunyam of Lord Lakshminrusimhan

even over demon kings. Moreover a Lion need not have any discipline in killing

any or in wearing intestines of anybody.

 

I hope and believe that this suffice your clarifications. If you are interested

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Pl suggest me if anythins is left or for any corrections.

 

Thanks & regards

 

kpn

 

 

 

Message: 1

Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:49:14 -0800 (PST)

paranguca naidu

 

Re: Lord Narasimha

 

adiyenathu vanakkangaL

prahlada is not a ciranjiivi ( aswththama bali vyasa hanuman caiva vibishana

krupa parasuramaSca saptha EthE cirajiivina:)

the question raised by srinath was why did lordnarasimha wore the intestines of

hiranya kasipu over his chest is kept untouched

adiyen begs to remain

parankucan

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adiyenathu vanakkangaL

one of the honourable member of this group raised a question why lord narasimha

wore the intestines of hiranyakasipu. nobody raised any question on the karunyam

of lord

i beg to remain sir

parankucan

Narasimhan KP <kpnarasimhan wrote:Dear All,

 

Namaskarams.

 

I would like to put forth my little knowledge on your query. .............

 

Thanks & regards

 

kpn

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sir,

2 Questions from your answer

Did the lord not confirm before taking the avatar about the character of

Hiranyakasivbu? Do you mean to say that he decided to eliminate him after coming

as a NARA SIMHAM by keeping the hand on his chest. Highly illogical...!!

If you say that Lion need not have any discipline in killing/wearing intestines,

then during that avatar, did he forget that he was LORD? If so and was a true

lion, then why he did not kill prahlad or others around. If you say that he was

remembering that he was lord eventhough he had taken the form of Lion, then my

original question/confusion stays...(why was he so furious/barbaric to wear the

intestines of the enemy when he honoured the death of Ravana and Vaali).

Thanks,

Srinath.

 

Narasimhan KP <kpnarasimhan wrote:Dear All,

 

Namaskarams.

 

I would like to put forth my little knowledge on your query. There is a basic

difference in the characters of Vaali/Ravana and Iranyakashipu. Though Vaali and

Raavana did committed punishable mistake, they were not athiest and were doing

their regular austerities as they are believer of Supreme Godhead. But in case

of Iranyakashipu due to the ego on a/c of the boon he got he started opposing

Supreme Godhead Himself.

 

Thanks & regards

 

kpn

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Sri Krishnaya Namah!

 

Dear devotees,

 

With my limited knowledge I can only say that -

 

Ravana & Vali have been killed for reasons (Ravana for Disturbing vedic

rituals, causing untold harm to brahman folk; Vali being illogically cruel

having questioned the very relationship between brothers and abducted Tara

(Sugriva's wife as also made out himself as a terror figure in kishkinda

duly aided by the boon), unlike Hiranyakashipu.

 

Hiranyakashipu is a character who is the embodiment of the feeling of 'I'

which is not good. He has caused untold damage to all the bhaktas/rushis

and bhagavathas during that time by instructing them to do all those for

him and not Him. He has questioned the very existence of God, challenged

Him as also propogated to the world that he is the only lord. This is

height of atheism.

 

Another major point that Lord proved is that his bhakthas are protected by

Him always. Prahlada was saved number of times from Hiranyakasipu's

ghastly deeds and all the while, Lord is waiting for the opportune moment.

Also, He is teaching a lesson, indirectly to Lord Brahma, on giving varam.

To what extent a boon has to be given and to whom. Lord Brahma has

blessed Hiranyakasipu in such a way that Lord has very few options.

 

Whoever disturbs the flow of life, whoever caused untold harm for the vedic

rituals by misdirecting them, whoever instil fear among His devotees and

try to erase them, will see hell and Lord has shown us as how such a person

will see hell where he questions the very existence of Lord.

 

Rest, as to how he has been killed etc., are of no importance as long as we

realise that Lord gets angry against any person who goes against his

commandments. It happened physically during Kruthayuga but in Kaliyuga,

for all our misdeeds - outward & inward, we have been treated in the same

way but with different proportions/manner and at different times. It is

beyond our realisation as we are caught in deep/murky waters of

maya/agnana.

 

Infact, this avataar is one of the beautiful and one of the kindest of all

the avataars, having promised to mankind and His devotees that He is there

for them, and he will get berserk on those who are adharmic and unable to

contain himself. Only Prahlada (not even Chechulakshmi, Brahma, Rudra and

many devas) can calm him down. That is the relationship He has with

bhagavathas and that is the importance/respect (is there a better word) he

gives to His devotees, thereby giving a lesson to all bhutas in the world

(devas, rakshasas and everyone).

 

Net net, I only think that we should just humbly bow to Him and minimise

our curiosity to question the cause for His deeds. His deeds are always

unquestionable, that we know, but why should we want to know, how is it

unquestionable. God is violent but on whom. Why there is an urge to prove

the same or the contrary. God is beyond our reasons.

 

Lastly, Pardon me that I have gone a bit ashtray in voicing my feelings.

Somehow, after seeing several mails on Lord Narasimha and the intestines

etc., I can't stop but voice my opinion here. Hope You will accept my

apologies.

 

 

Sukumar

 

Sri Krishna Parabrahmane Namah!!

 

 

 

 

 

Srinath Venkatakrishnan [sMTP:srinath_venkatakrishnan]

13/03/2003 9:56 PM

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Re: Digest Number 847 [Lord Narasimhan]

 

Dear Sir,

2 Questions from your answer

Did the lord not confirm before taking the avatar about the character of

Hiranyakasivbu? Do you mean to say that he decided to eliminate him after

coming as a NARA SIMHAM by keeping the hand on his chest. Highly

illogical...!!

If you say that Lion need not have any discipline in killing/wearing

intestines, then during that avatar, did he forget that he was LORD? If so

and was a true lion, then why he did not kill prahlad or others around. If

you say that he was remembering that he was lord eventhough he had taken

the form of Lion, then my original question/confusion stays...(why was he

so furious/barbaric to wear the intestines of the enemy when he honoured

the death of Ravana and Vaali).

Thanks,

Srinath.

 

Your use of is subject to

[Guest guest]

adiyenathu vanakkangaL

while accepting we dont have any grounds go in to the deeds of paramaathman,

wehave to accept thatthere must be reasonsforhisaction. if wedig out those

reasons

they may be a guideline for our life on the earth. if we attach sentiments on

this i am sure we will be in darkness.there should be reason behind everything

since creation is not an accident.

out of thenine avatars three of them were with beastic body with human face (

macca - kUrma- varaha) lod narasimha was quite contra? is there any reason for

these?

i beg to remain sir

parankucan

 

 

 

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Sri Krishnaya Namah!

 

Dear Sri Naidu,

 

If u deem bhakthi/samarpana bhava as a sentiment, I agree that is the

sentiment one should develop and that's how great dasas - Purandara

Dasa/Kanaka Dasa/Kabir/Thukaram/Meera etc., have flourished in pure

bhakthi. They surrendered to God and that's it. Why even Gopikas

surrounding Lord Kannan have no gyana about Lord Krishna, which is left

Uddhava dumb founded & flabbergasted.

 

In bhagavadgita Lord Krishna says - "zyana yogena sankhyanam, karma yogo

vishishtathe" thus while doing karma be a sanyasi and that is the best of

all yogas. I am not saying one should not attain knowledge but I am just

saying that bhakthi and surredering to God/samarpana bhava is the highest

of all paths laid down by the Lord.

 

Net net, the devotion/samarpana bhava towards God is what is necessary

than knowledge about God and his deeds. While it is necessary that we

should surrender to God - kaya, vacha, manasa, we just can't fulfill our

urge to know God as he is beyond our reasoning and intellect. Devotion

towards God is more opt now than Knowledge about God (which is difficult to

possess though to some extent we are knowledgeable and without which our

devotion too is not total)

 

Actually, even if we do get answers about his deeds, through scriptures

etc., it is still not enough as God is beyond words. Words can't describe

him in totality. He is beyond words, as words do have limitations of ones

intellect and that's how we have his gyana avataars in the form of Nara &

Narayana, Sage Kapila, Krishna Dwaipayana who taught us about Him.

 

Finally, I appreciate your urge to know and hope that you will get your

doubts clarified.

 

 

Sukumar

 

Sri Krishna Parabrahmane Namah!

 

 

paranguca naidu [sMTP:parankuca_naidu]

15/03/2003 7:53 AM

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RE: Digest Number 847 [Lord Narasimhan]

 

adiyenathu vanakkangaL

while accepting we dont have any grounds go in to the deeds of

paramaathman, wehave to accept thatthere must be reasonsforhisaction.

[Guest guest]

adiyenathu vankkangal

 

i think that bhakthi should not close the doors of

knowledge.

 

in the same geetha lord krishna says " na hi gnaanEna

sadhruasam pavithram iha vidhyathE"

 

i am assured there shouldbe some inner meanings for

the action of lord narasimha

 

i beg to remain sir

parankucan

 

 

 

--- sukumar <sukumar wrote:

> Sri Krishnaya Namah!

>

> Dear Sri Naidu,

>

> If u deem bhakthi/samarpana bhava as a sentiment, I

> agree that is the

> sentiment one should develop and that's how great

> dasas - Purandara

> Dasa/Kanaka Dasa/Kabir/Thukaram/Meera etc., have

> flourished in pure

> bhakthi. ................

> Sukumar

>

>

 

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