Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: Respected Vaishnavas, When I ponder over this question that I am going to present, I always get a very unsettling, unhappy, even a shocking or a jittery feeling. The question is this: WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF GOD?? Well, every "thing" should have an origin, atleast according to human perception. If Sriman Narayana is God, what about his origins, I mean, has he always been resting on the bed of Sesha?? The question thats arising in my mind is, shouldn't he have an origin, or something that created him?? Well, if you cite the First Law of Thermodynamics which states, "Energy can neither be created nor be destroyed", and somehow relate that energy to God, then I can be partially convinced. Only partially because, the human intelligence (ahem!!) in me will then question the origin of that energy!! Can I take convunce myself by saying that since I am only "human" and anything that's linked to being human, be it thoughts, perception, or whatever, is subject to being imperfect?? And therefore understanding those high issues is beyond the realm of my limited, imperfect intelligence?? I was thinking about this last night when I was just about to sleep, "who created God??", and trust me, I didn't have good sleep at all, infact I woke up to a nightmare. I request all of you learned souls to kindly address my question, 1) Philosophically 2) Logically 3) Scientifically, or anything that best addresses the issue. AzhwAr EmperumanAr Jeeyar ThiruvadigalE Saranam. Adiyen Yathindra Pravana Dasan, Kidambi Soundararajan. Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 Respected Sir : Your question is not at all scary. Why should it be? it signifies a sane, enquiring mind. However, before proceeding - not that this ignorant writer wants to commit anything concrete so as to raise any hopes in any of you about a possible answer, with regard to the points you have raised - one would like to ascertain the quality of such a mind as yours which is in an enquiry mode. You may well ask why the motive needs to be known. Point is, what the mind searches for, the mind will find. In that sense all search(es) are futile. Assume for a second that you have found God or know about his origins in a logical, scientific manner. What then? Will you be able to recognize through your normal cognative 5 senses God or even intellectually understand the logic/scientific explanation? No offence meant, but this is vital. If you reply in the affirmative, then your are lost because recognition is within the field of the mind/experience and memory. In other words, you are still wobbling within the limited circumference of the known, knowledge. If on the contrary your reply is in the negative, then a new issue crops up namely, your original question will continue to be unanswered and the search will go on. Where does this end? and ultimately lead to ? Therefore, it is essential to know the motive, reason, rationale for your wanting to find out. Invariably, 99.9999% of us, not excluding the writer in the least, common folks create a desire first and then set out to achieve it methodically, systematically, scientifically, logically, rationally. We try to fit the findings into our pattern of experience/memory/knowledge. In a state of non-desire, where there is no reason but an earnest enquiring open mind and approach perhaps one may find an inkling of an answer!!. In this state thoughts do not function. Thought is a by-product of knowledge/experience and is always limiting because its parents (knowledge) is limited. When thought is not, then that which ought to be may perhaps be visible. In the Yoga Sutra of Patanjali Chapter I,Sutra 3 says " Tada drushtu swarupe avasthanam", meaning "then i.e. when the mental modifications (outlined in the previous Sutra) are ceased or calmed then the Seer abides or resides in the original form". What is this original form ? Note, this is genderless. No size, description, boundaries is given anywhere. This also is not to be taken as "whether Patanjali is suggesting that the individual is God etc..". No Sir, this is far from the Truth. When silence abides in the mind, then a newness occurs and this newness will perhaps give you some insights into some of the questions you have raised. The writer is acutely aware that to some of you the above may seem somewhat vague, mysterious or downright meaningless, but WHAT IS IS. Full Stop. Such an enquiry should be the base for an ongoing discovery. Are you dead serious? The level of seriousness one is talking is : "if one were to push your head into a bucket of water and hold it, after a few seconds you will struggle, the mind will become numb and there will be a deep desparation in your entire being, every nerve center will yell for life". Once your head is taken out you will breath a sigh of relief and then your knowledge will take over and thoughts will once more start playing with your mind.Are you this desparate? You need to be, incidentally. If yes, if you can muster such a lion hearted courage, then through these fora all of us,including this writer can take a deep journey into eternity. Finding answers to questions which you have posed imply an journey where there is no termination, but only arrivals. Long time may have to be given to proceed. Hope the writer is not trying to either frighten or make things difficult, but believe the writer Sir, Neither are things very easy. The subject covered in your question includes the entire cosmos and beyond. By the way the writer hopes you are a practitioner of the Nitya karmas, especially the Sandhyavandanam and Gayathri? Are you regular? What is your Bhava or attitude? Routine, mechanical gestures or deep reverence - please do not answer on this mail, but ask yourself. This is extremely vital and relevant for discovering the right answers. Note the grammer , it is present continuing It is a constant journey. The more you chant the more clarity may reign. Occasionally, you may come across an iota of the answer through a flash. Do not try to capture and store in your memory. IT is not the stuff experience, memory, knowledge is made of. More importantly, what is your approach to the -generally avoidable by many - question of Death. Are you afraid to die? These are essential preliminary questions which you need to discover and answer within yourself. Is your quest something to do with a remote feeling of having got lost in this 'big bad' world? To come to your need to have a rationale, logical, scientific reply. See the immediate fallacy of this query? Do not be upset, because this is a normal query. But see for yourself that when you ask you want to find an answer, store it away into your memory and then go to sleep i.e. get involved in routine. Even if by chance you manage to find the answer you want to explore further? What if you come to the end of the whole thing? Becuase the next logically question will be where is the beginning etc. How much are you interested in the Vedas? The Vedas can be your best Guru. Can you question when the Vedas were created? where is their end? what is their form? Beyond a certain point, even science cannot answer. Intelligence, knowlege are of little use here. Does this imply that we should not enquire at all ? No Sir, by all means, enquiry is must. Discontentment is highly desirable than contentment. Contentment is stagnation. constant discontentment is welcome. It assures constant renewed discovery. But the spirit of enquiry must be tempered with many other factors which in Yogic principles are called "ashtanga" or 8 limbs (ashta - eight, anga- limbs). These are Yama, Niyama, Asana, Pranayama, Pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana and Samadhi. Does it mean the writer is indicating that everyone takes up Yoga and finds an answer? No Sir, this is not a propaganda or justification for Yoga or anything else. The point is, Yoga as a physical, mental and spiritual discipline helps one to some extent to progress in the right direction, if one may put it briefly. The progress is constant until one drops dead naturally. There is no assurance but with the end (of the body) being assured and certain, the mind gets into a delusion and hence constantly churns out such queries. Yoga focuses on these aspects and to some extent helps man get rid of time, space and other disburbances so that in the end the Reality, whatever you may call it, whatever name you may give - you call this Narayana, Mr.John will call This "Jesus", Ibrahim may choose to call HIM as "Allah" or someone else may choose to call it the nameless. One hopes the thread is kept active by interested members. Tat Tvam Asi. Om Tat sat vimalkumar ranganathan bhakti-list, <panardasan@yaho ramanuja, oppiliappan, o.com> cc: 03/21/03 10:44 A very Scary Question!! Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: Respected Vaishnavas, When I ponder over this question that I am going to present, I always get a very unsettling, unhappy, even a shocking or a jittery feeling. The question is this: WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF GOD?? Kidambi Soundararajan. 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Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 Hi Scientifically and rationally answering for ur query , 1.Has anybody been able to accurately (with conviction so to speak )predict the age of the universe ? 2. Has anybody till date found the answer for the cliched question "Hen first or the egg ?" If so many inconsequent things like these are beyond the preception of the Human Mind , then one can understand this human brain's inability to know or understand the origin or the where abouts of THE ETERNAL BEING Sometimes , that is, more often than not "IGNORANCE IS BLISS !" Your quest is not wrong , but do we mere mortals really have that in us to pursue and understand the ORIGIN OF GOD ,frankly i dont think so... Regards Sowmya Vijayaraghavan Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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