Guest guest Posted September 16, 1998 Report Share Posted September 16, 1998 Alex Siegel wrote: >Looking from another angle, in order that change to exist there must be time, >how do we know that time exist in Parabrahman, it seems to be in the Eternal >Now. > >Alex Beautiful analysis. Yes, ultimately time itself is the concept in the mind - gap between two thoughts is time. Observer of the two thoughts has no gap - he is beyond time and change. This is beautifully pictured in Bhagavatam - Krishna dancing with gopies. angana angana antare madhava madhava madhava antare angana between gopi and gopi there is Krishna Krishna stands for consciousness and gopi for a thought but in meditation as the thoughts subside, one shifts attention from gopi to Krishna and poet hence says - Krishna and Krishna and between them is gopi. Ultimately all gopies dance around Krishna to his divine music. His music alone pervades the entire universe. Hari Om! Sadananda K. Sadananda Code 6323 Naval Research Laboratory Washington D.C. 20375 Voice (202)767-2117 Fax:(202)767-2623 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 1998 Report Share Posted September 16, 1998 mpw6678 wrote: >first, here's a brief observation about change. why is it necessary that if the universe changes, there must be >something that doesn't change? why is it that something must not change? it seems possible, at least, that there is >nothing that doesn't change. the premise that there is something unchanging simply because there is something else >changing seems unprofitable to me. Your question seems to be more difficult than its first look. Besides what Ram Chandran has answered, we may look it this way. We see that all matters, whether macroscopic or microscopic, are always in the state of movement, change and decay, however, it seems that the law that govern this movement does not change. But it is not so, first there is classical physics then SR follow by quantum physics and GR, all the law of physics will always be overridden by new theory as our understanding of Nature expand by insight and refining of our instruments. Since Parabrahman is the Absolute Law, there will be no other law that can override this Law unless we postulate the absurdity of more than one Absolute Laws with the resulting chaos. So Parabrahman as the Law is immutable but in itself there is always movement, because it is the Great Breath. Were this movement to stop but for one instant even during the Maha-Pralaya a period when even Brahman the creative architect of the world is said to have merged into non-being, then there could be no Manvantara, and space alone would reign unconscious and supreme in the eternity of time. Looking from another angle, in order that change to exist there must be time, how do we know that time exist in Parabrahman, it seems to be in the Eternal Now. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 1998 Report Share Posted September 16, 1998 At 12:03 PM 9/16/98 -0400, sadananda wrote: >sadananda <sada > >Alex Siegel wrote: > >>Looking from another angle, in order that change to exist there must be time, >>how do we know that time exist in Parabrahman, it seems to be in the Eternal >>Now. >> >>Alex > >Beautiful analysis. > >Yes, ultimately time itself is the concept in the mind - gap between two >thoughts is time. Observer of the two thoughts has no gap - he is beyond >time and change. > >This is beautifully pictured in Bhagavatam - Krishna dancing with gopies. > > angana angana antare madhava > madhava madhava antare angana > > between gopi and gopi there is Krishna >Krishna stands for consciousness and gopi for a thought >but in meditation as the thoughts subside, one shifts attention from gopi >to Krishna and poet hence says - Krishna and Krishna and between them is >gopi. >Ultimately all gopies dance around Krishna to his divine music. His music >alone pervades the entire universe. This is beautiful and poetic. There is another way to understand time, which comes from Sri Atmananda -- time itself is merely another thought which arises against the background of consciousness. In the case of the Bhagavatam, time would be yet another gopi, dancing along with the gopis of the objects measured by time, or the gopis of the objects that pass in time. All the while, Krishna is the changeless, timeless background. --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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