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>on this issue, i've happily and respectfully read the postings of ramchandra

and raju and am unable to approach their insights. i understand that once

outside the well, the ladder or rope is no longer needed; however, i enjoy sri

ramakrishna's insight that to escape the well, a ladder will do as nicely as a

rope or a bamboo pole. each is left in the well by its respective user. the

absolute is all that is. brahman satyam, jagat mithya. in light of this, my

limited understanding feels that to remove one thorn, another thorn is not

necessarily needed, especially when all thorns work to (re)move another object

and not to transcend objects. the worldly feeling that a thorn must be removed

is the only reason any notion of a thorn, or that one thorn is more efficient

than another, exists. to me, a hierarchy of thorns seems unprofitable.

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>maxwell.

 

Greetings Maxwell:

 

Thanks for your observation and let me clarify your questions regarding

thorns. Please understand no attempt is made to compare the relative

merits (demerits) of thorns and I agree that fundamentally all thorns

must be removed.

 

Let me divert your attention from thorn to thought. My current thought

is how to get rid of thoughts from my mind. Momentarily, I recognize

that I created a new thought in this process of removing thoughts! How

to rid of all thoughts from the mind? The one and only way to avoid

thoughts is to go beyond thoughts! As long as we confine our selves as

intellectual individuals we can get rid of a thought only by another

thought. Invariably, we get trapped within an endless loop of cyclical

thoughts! Thoughts become habitual and they are influenced by Vasanas

(habits) acquired through the perception of body, mind and intellect.

 

Lord Krishna in Bhagavad Gita recognizes that perception is the root

cause of thoughts and he advises to adopt one of the three Yogas -

Karma, Bhakti and Jnana..

 

Karma Yoga: Conduct acts without expecting results (fruits)from

actions. Instead of perceiving that we act, we become the witness of our

actions. (Act spontaneously without selfishness)

 

Bhakti Yoga: Accept that you are an agent of the Nature and you have the

obligation to serve. Implicitly we are willing to forgo our identity and

actions and are diverted to the benefit of the Nature. (Total surrender

of Ego, the cause of all thoughts).

 

Jnana Yoga is strictly not necessarily a path but : Have the WISDOM to

accept and adopt the path of Karma and/or Bhakti Yoga.

 

Actually, these Yogas are inseparable and those who adopt to one of

them necessarily follow the other two. When we adopt our life according

to the prescription laid down by the Gitacharya, we conduct our actions

with the Yagna spirit. The scripture (Gita) claims that we can liberate

ourselves from the boundaries of body, mind and intellect and reach the

state of permanent happiness.

 

Sankara's Advaita Yoga thesis elaborates Jnana Yoga or the Yoga of

merging with the Supreme Reality or Nirguna Brahman. Karma Yoga

stresses the moral responsibility of human beings to complete their

duties without looking for rewards. With the Yagna spirit, the human

realizes that community service as an opportunity and also the reward.

To practice Bhakti Yoga, faith, conviction, and the attitude of

surrender are the essentials. For the Bhakta with the total surrender

attitude, actions and rewards are the gifts of God. Though the Bhakta

has the determination to have the communion with God, there is always a

distance that persists between them. According to Sankara, the

existence of distance implies the absence of total surrender of ego.

Sankara describes that Karma Yoga prepares the human soul to ethical

ascent toward the ideal from actual. Sankara further explains that

Bhakti Yoga prepares the imperfect human soul to religious ascent toward

the Perfect Soul (God). Sankara finally observes that in Jnana Yoga,

duality does not exist between the ideal and the actual or between the

perfect and the imperfect.

 

According to Sankara, Brahman is the ultimate reality. The universe

belongs to a lower level of reality. Sankara never denies the

multiplicity of the world of experience, he only assigns a lower order

of reality to it. Nirguna Brahman (Absolute Consciousness) is therefore,

so unique that nothing on this side of experience, however sublime or

elevating, can approximate to it. Any attempt to describe it is like

attempting to describe sweetness to someone who has never tasted

sweetness. Consciousness is always present and never absent. The

disappearance of consciousness is the highest level of the experience of

consciousness. It can neither be described nor be understood without

the EXPERIENCE! At that stage there will be no more actions, thoughts,

Karma Yoga, Bhakti Yoga and Jnana Yoga including Advaita philosophy!

 

Basic understanding of Advaita is necessary and the following chart will

serve that purpose. The new members of the list can understand the

Advaitin terminologies. The Advaitic Cosmology chart is from the

‘Essentials of Hinduism,' by V. Krishnamurthy, Narosa Publishing House,

India (1989).

 

Advaitic Cosmology

 

Atman - Brahman - Symbol OM

(Also Para Brahman, the Supreme Absolute)

============================================

|| ||

======================= ==========================

Para Sakti Apara Sakti

(Supreme Power of Brahman) (Not-so-supreme power of Brahman)

CHIT SAKTI - the power of Prakriti, Maya, Pradhana, Avyakta,

Cognition. Pure Consciousness Jada, Avidya, Kshara & Kshetra

The Spirit and source of all ============================

energy and known as

the abstract form of Brahman

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|| ||

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Jiva Iswara

 

spirit under a material Spirit, viewed in relation

envelope and is under to matter or Brahman

constant spell of Maya or conditioned by the intellect.

Avidya. He is also the Saguna Brahman or the concrete.

experiencer and witness to form of Brahman who is worshiped

the three states of for His grace to descend.

Consciousness. Also, called

the Purusha, the occupant

of the vehicle

======================== ============================

Spiritual Content of Jiva Spiritual Content of Iswara

======================== ===========================

|| ||

======================= =========================

Jivatman Paramatman

======================= =========================

\\ //

\\ //

\\ //

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Tat Tvam Asi (Essentially Identical)

==================================

||

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He is kshetrajna, the Knower of the Field.

He is Aksharam, the imperishable.

He is Purushottama, the Supreme Person.

He is Avyay, the Changeless.

He is the ParaBrahman.

========================================

 

Glossary:

 

Prakriti - the totality of all nature and all vAsanA

Maya - Deceptively hides the spirit behind the matter and makes false

projections.

Pradhana - the most fundamental and under the will of Iswara, it

produces the five elements and thence the universe.

Avyakta - the unmanliest because it is not perceptible to the senses

Jada - insentient

Avidya - cosmic ignorance

Kshara - the perishable because it alternates between manifestation and

non-manifestation.

Kshetra - the field, because it is the base of all action.

--

Ram Chandran

Burke, VA 22015

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Sri Rama chandran wrote in response to Maxwell's question.

In a message dated 9/19/98 5:37:13 AM, you wrote:

 

<< Consciousness is always present and never absent. The

 

disappearance of consciousness is the highest level of the experience of

 

consciousness. >>

 

To practice Bhakti Yoga, faith, conviction, and the attitude of

 

surrender are the essentials. For the Bhakta with the total surrender

 

attitude, actions and rewards are the gifts of God. Though the Bhakta

 

has the determination to have the communion with God, there is always a

 

distance that persists between them.

 

My heartly pranam to Sri Ram Chandran .

Thank you for kindly responding with beautifull insights. I am very happy to

read what you wrote. Also thanks to Maxwell for raising the question on my

Samsaye.

Namaste.

Raju

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