Guest guest Posted October 27, 1998 Report Share Posted October 27, 1998 Since the topic is of interest to many, I thought the following passages may be of some value. ---Viswanath Ramana: ....people think that the Guru teaches the disciple something like "TATVAMASI" and that the disciple realises "I am Brahman". In their ignorance they conceive of Brahman as something more huge and powerful than anything else. With a limited 'I' the man is so stuck up and wild. What will be the case if the same 'I' grows up enormous? He will be enormously ignorant and foolish! This false 'I' must perish. Its annihilation is the fruit of Guru seva. Realisation is eternal and it is NOT brought about by the Guru. He helps in the removal of ignorance. That is all. ....people read in books "hearing, reflection, and one-pointedness are necessary". They think that they must pass through savikalpa samadhi and nirvikalpa samadhi before attaining Realization. Hence all these questions. Why should they wander in that maze? What do they gain in the end? It is only cessation of the trouble of seeking. They find that the Self is eternal and self-evident. Why should they not get that repose even this moment? A simple man, not learned, is satisfied with japa or worship. A jnani is of course satisfied. The whole trouble is for the bookworms. Krishnamurti: Reality, truth is not to be recognized. For truth to come, belief, knowledge, experiencing, the pursuit of virtue - all this must go. The virtuous person who is conscious of pursuing virtue can NEVER find reality. He may be a very decent person; but that is entirely different from being a man of truth, a man who understands. To the man of truth, truth has come into being. A virtuous man is a righteous man, and a righteous man can never understand what is truth because virtue to him is the covering of the self, the strengthening of the self, because he is pursuing virtue. When he says, 'I must be without greed', the state of non greed which he experiences only strengthens the self. That is why it is so important to be poor, not only in the things of the world but also in belief and in knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 1998 Report Share Posted October 28, 1998 Nice quotations, Thank you ! > ---------- > y viswanath[sMTP:yviswanath] > Reply advaitin > Tuesday, October 27, 1998 8:16 PM > advaitin > Is theoretical knowledge an oxymoron? > > "y viswanath" <yviswanath > > > Since the topic is of interest to many, I thought the following passages > may be of some value. > > ---Viswanath > > > Ramana: > > ...people think that the Guru teaches the disciple something like > "TATVAMASI" and that the disciple realises "I am Brahman". In > their ignorance they conceive of Brahman as something more huge > and powerful than anything else. With a limited 'I' the man is so > stuck up and wild. What will be the case if the same 'I' grows up > enormous? He will be enormously ignorant and foolish! This false > 'I' must perish. Its annihilation is the fruit of Guru seva. > Realisation is eternal and it is NOT brought about by the Guru. He > helps in the removal of ignorance. That is all. > > ...people read in books "hearing, reflection, and one-pointedness > are necessary". They think that they must pass through savikalpa > samadhi and nirvikalpa samadhi before attaining Realization. Hence > all these questions. Why should they wander in that maze? What do > they gain in the end? It is only cessation of the trouble of > seeking. They find that the Self is eternal and self-evident. Why > should they not get that repose even this moment? > > A simple man, not learned, is satisfied with japa or worship. A > jnani is of course satisfied. The whole trouble is for the > bookworms. > > > Krishnamurti: > > Reality, truth is not to be recognized. For truth to come, belief, > knowledge, experiencing, the pursuit of virtue - all this must go. > The virtuous person who is conscious of pursuing virtue can NEVER > find reality. He may be a very decent person; but that is entirely > different from being a man of truth, a man who understands. To the > man of truth, truth has come into being. A virtuous man is a > righteous man, and a righteous man can never understand what is > truth because virtue to him is the covering of the self, the > strengthening of the self, because he is pursuing virtue. When he > says, 'I must be without greed', the state of non greed which he > experiences only strengthens the self. That is why it is so > important to be poor, not only in the things of the world but also > in belief and in knowledge. > > > > > > ------ > To from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and > select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. > ------ > Discussion of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy, its true meaning, > profundity, richness and beauty with the focus on the non-duality between > mind and matter > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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