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Greetings Frank.

>the fundamental principle of advaita--or non-duality--

>is that there is only brahman in existence, and what

>therefore can only ever be conceivably perceived is

>simply brahman. the apparent problem arises with

>the special exception if/when the perceiver regards

>his/her object of perception as *apart* from brahman

>which, by definition, must be an illusion. therefore,

>in reality, there *cannot* be a duality/plurality in

>existence--but only ONE Being: ONE satchidananda.

>this knowledge confers the infinite awareness, infinite

>peace, infinite love, and infinite freedom of moksha.

 

What's knowledge? It's to know. Not merely knowing as one would by

watching Star Trek, the powers of the Vulcan. No, it's knowing with full

conviction, with as much certainty as knowing that one exists. To know

in the fullest depths of one's being, in the bottom of your soul with

absolute certainty. The Buddha is supposed to have said that he knew

with final certainty within the depths of his being that that was his

last birth. It's that kind of knowledge which is required.

 

More important than all that you've outlined as being professed by

Advaitam, is that it insists on actual experience - the experience that

the snake is indeed a rope. Not just mental knowing which is a product

of intellectual appreciation, but experiencing and "being" it.

 

This is again my problem with Advaitam.

 

A few months back, when I was on an "intellectual" binge, the Dhammapada

was a mere book of morals. It was not for me. Oooh, give me Vasubandhu

and Nagarjuna or Dignaga and Dharmakirti. They amazed me with their

abstract logic. In truth, all this intellectual hairsplitting, is

nothing compared to the Dhammapada which are truly words of a Jeevan

muktha. Just that I didn't have the "eyes" or "knowledge" to realize it.

 

Be True to yourself, the truth is yours.

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Greetings Nanda,

 

At 09:14 AM 11/30/98 PST, nanda chandran wrote:

 

(quoting frank here..)

>>the fundamental principle of advaita--or non-duality--

>>is that there is only brahman in existence, and what

>>therefore can only ever be conceivably perceived is

>>simply brahman. the apparent problem arises with

>>the special exception if/when the perceiver regards

>>his/her object of perception as *apart* from brahman

>>which, by definition, must be an illusion. therefore,

>>in reality, there *cannot* be a duality/plurality in

>>existence--but only ONE Being: ONE satchidananda.

>

>>this knowledge confers the infinite awareness, infinite

>>peace, infinite love, and infinite freedom of moksha.

>What's knowledge? It's to know. Not merely knowing as one would by

>watching Star Trek, the powers of the Vulcan. No, it's knowing with full

>conviction, with as much certainty as knowing that one exists.

 

....

>Not just mental knowing which is a product

>of intellectual appreciation, but experiencing and "being" it.

>

>This is again my problem with Advaitam.

 

Good points, Nanda, and I like your refreshing candor!! Is your problem

with Advaita more an issue with the Advaita metaphysics or Advaita sadhana?

 

You don't disagree with Advaita's metaphysics, do you? That all is

Brahman? Frank's capsule about Advaita says that there is only Brahman in

existence. This is a metaphysical proposition, about the nature of

ultimate Reality. It can be believed and known intellectually, with the

help of a teacher in whom you have faith, via the scriptures, and as a

result of direct experience of being the truth. And such a metaphysical

proposition is something whose truth or falsity doesn't depend on whether

one follows the Advaita philosophy.

 

This leaves lots of room for discussion, however. The mere intellectual

conviction is not enough, I agree 100% with you. That leaves the question,

Just what DOES it take to confer the infinite peace and love and freedom of

moksha? This sounds like a question of the kind of sadhana and guidance

required. Is THAT perhaps your problem with Advaita?

 

--Greg

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nanda chandran wrote:

>

> "nanda chandran" <vpcnk

>

> Greetings Frank.

>

> >the fundamental principle of advaita--or non-duality--

> >is that there is only brahman in existence, and what

> >therefore can only ever be conceivably perceived is

> >simply brahman. the apparent problem arises with

> >the special exception if/when the perceiver regards

> >his/her object of perception as *apart* from brahman

> >which, by definition, must be an illusion. therefore,

> >in reality, there *cannot* be a duality/plurality in

> >existence--but only ONE Being: ONE satchidananda.

>

> >this knowledge confers the infinite awareness, infinite

> >peace, infinite love, and infinite freedom of moksha.

>

> What's knowledge? It's to know. Not merely knowing as one would by

> watching Star Trek, the powers of the Vulcan. No, it's knowing with full

> conviction, with as much certainty as knowing that one exists. To know

> in the fullest depths of one's being, in the bottom of your soul with

> absolute certainty. The Buddha is supposed to have said that he knew

> with final certainty within the depths of his being that that was his

> last birth. It's that kind of knowledge which is required.

>

> More important than all that you've outlined as being professed by

> Advaitam, is that it insists on actual experience - the experience that

> the snake is indeed a rope. Not just mental knowing which is a product

> of intellectual appreciation, but experiencing and "being" it.

>

> This is again my problem with Advaitam.

>

> A few months back, when I was on an "intellectual" binge, the Dhammapada

> was a mere book of morals. It was not for me. Oooh, give me Vasubandhu

> and Nagarjuna or Dignaga and Dharmakirti. They amazed me with their

> abstract logic. In truth, all this intellectual hairsplitting, is

> nothing compared to the Dhammapada which are truly words of a Jeevan

> muktha. Just that I didn't have the "eyes" or "knowledge" to realize it.

>

> Be True to yourself, the truth is yours.

>

 

hariH OM!

 

the knowledge i'm speaking of is the

knowledge that can stop the relentless

judgment machine of the mind, which can

thus allow one to become aware of being

in their otherwise natural state [in the

Heart].

 

if/when the mind arises with questions

and speculations, the wisdom of *esoteric*

advaita, which confirms that "all of this

is brahman," effectively dissolves all

such questions and paradoxic quandaries.

one is then able to live and move and have

one's being in the Heart, where one's reality

has ever resided. gotama buddha's silence

in the face of philosophical inquiry brings

us to the same end: atmanishtha cidakasa.

(regardless that he implied the nonexistence

of the self [anatta], yet nirvana itself is

not shunya, therefore there must be an

existence it is founded on...and such a

reality implicates the necessity of Being,

which in turn cannot exist devoid of primal

awareness or selfhood. [viz. 'selfless being'

is ontologically impossible])

 

actually, btw, i'm a simultaneous practitioner

of zen as well as so-called mahayoga associated

with atmavichara. as you probably know, zen

claims to capture the pure spirit of buddha's

teaching, insofar as refusing to involve with

philosophical or even metaphysical speculations.

if/when attempting to neutralize intellectual

anxieties expressed by sincere individuals on

the path to Self-realization, i prefer the

strategy of advaita vedanta. but, as i've

implied, they're both fingers pointing to the

selfsame sun of pure Being.

 

namaste

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