Guest guest Posted March 5, 1999 Report Share Posted March 5, 1999 Greetings: The discussions on Women and Advaita were quite focused without indulging in meaningless debates. The enclosed comments focus on some of the unanswered questions. Ram Chandran Burke, VA Role of Women from the Vedic Times: =========================== There is historical evidence that during Vedic period, Gayatri Mantra Initiation ceremony (Thread Ceremony - Upanayana samskaras) was conducted for all youngsters, both girls and boys. Samskaras are based on both religious and social beliefs. After this initiation, the children formally went to Gurukul (school education) to start the learning process. Rishis and Rishibhathnis (wives of Rishis) were great scholars and the children of Vedic time learnt lessons from the Rishi and Rishibhathni. Even during Sankara's period, Mandana Misra's wife was appointed as the judge for the great debate between Sankara and Mandana Misra. There is a Sanskrit proverb which suggests that people shouldn't be judged on the basis of the origin of their birth - " Rishis are judged by their scholarship and rivers are judged by their purity irrespective of their origin." Evidence from Manu Smriti: ==================== Position of Women (Page 227), (Manu Smriti, 3.55-5; 9.3-7, 11, 26) " Women must be honored and adorned by their fathers, brothers, husbands, and brothers-in-law who desire great good fortune. Where women, verily, are honored, there the gods rejoice; where however, they are not honored, there all sacred rites prove fruitless. Where the female relations live in grief - that family soon perishes completely; where, however, they do not suffer from any grievance-that family always prospers. Her father protects her in childhood, her husband protects her in youth, her sons protect her in old age-- a woman does not deserve independence. The father who does not give away his daughter in marriage at the proper time is censurable; censurable is the husband who does not approach his wife in due season; and after the husband is dead, the son verily, is censurable, who does not protect his mother. Even against the SLIGHTEST provocations should women be particularly guarded; for unguarded they would bring grief to both the families............" Dharma is not Static! ================ Dharma (ethical law) is Not Static (From Manu Smriti, 1.81-86) "The following passage brings out a very significant characteristic of dharma, namely, that the concept and content of dharma change in accordance with the changing circumstances. Ancient tradition speaks of four ages (Yugas) - Krita, Tretaa, Dvaapara, and Kali -their duration, respectively, 1,728,000; 1,296,000; 864,000; and 432,000 human years. It is believed that each of these four succeeding ages is characterized by an increasing physical and spiritual deterioration. No one uniform set of dharmas can, therefore, be made applicable to all the four ages. It is further believed that when one cycle of four ages is completed, there occurs the end of the universe, which is followed by a new creation and a new cycle." One of our problem is that we try to judge the customs and traditions of during an ancient time period by using an yard stick of modern time! Few years back, we had a Satsang on Ramayana and the discussion got diverted on the question - Was Sita (Rama's wife) ill-treated by Rama? The reason for the question is the assumption that universal social standards exist across the geographical regions and across time! Discussions on such questions divert the focus of the discussion to issues away from the character of Rama to social customs and beliefs. Though social customs and beliefs need careful evaluation but the objective of the Satsang on Ramayana was to focus on the divine character of Rama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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