Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 Historicity of Mahabharat This article is based on the information that I found in March 1995 issue of “Saptagiri” published in Telugu by Tirumala Tirupati Devastaanam, authored by Shrii Janamaddi Hanumanta Rao. The article itself was based on the research effort by Professor K. Srinivasa Raghavan. The research was acclaimed by several famous pundits of Panchanga Shaastra including the Secretary of the All India Panchanga Samskarana Sangha, Pandit Radhashyaam Shaastri from Hariyana, and Vice chancellor of Sourashtra University, Shrii D.R. Mankad, etc. Based on the astrological information provided by Veda Vyaasa (Position of the stars etc), Mahabharat war was estimated to have started on 3067B.C. on 22nd November. On the day of the war, the astrological positions of the Sun, Moon, Rahu, Saturn, Guru, Mangala and Sukra planets have been described by Vyaasa. By looking at the position based on Panchangam, Indian Calendar, and matching with the position of the stars described by Vyaas and comparing with the Julian Calendar, one can arrive at the precise dates for the war. Furthermore all other related incidents that took place before and after the war were described in Mahabhaarat, and the dates for these can be precisely matched with the Julian calendar, as discussed bellow. Shrii Krishna made a last minute effort to make peace but failed. He left the Upaplaavya city on Kaartiika Shuddha Dvaadasi day in Revati Nakshatra (star) between 7:36 – 8:24AM. He reached Hastinaapura in Bharani Nakshatra, and had discussions with the Kouravaas till Pushyami Nakshatra. The day Duryodhana rejected the peace proposal was Krishna Pancami. Krishna left Hastinaapura, and had consultations with KarNa before he departed. (He revealed to KarNa that he was the eldest son of Kunti) on Uttara Palghuni day. Krishna informed KarNa that Duryodhana must get ready to fight, seventh day from that day, which will be Amaavaasya day (New-moon day) with JyeshTa Nakshatra. Krishna returned to Upaplaavya city on Chitta Nakshatra. Three days after that on Anuradha Nakshatra Balarama came to Upaplaavya. Next Pushya Nakshtra day Pandavaas left with Krishna to Kurukshetra. Fifteen days after return from Upaplaavya city, Balarama left on Punarvasu Nakshatra on the tour of sacred places. (Balarama did not want to participate in the war that involved cousins on both sides). He returned to Kurukshetra after forty-two days in the ShravaNa Nakshatra. The war already started eighteen days back. On the nineteenth day, BahuLa Caturdashi day on ShravaNa Nakshatra, Duryodhana died. It was the fifty-ninth day after Amaavaasya with JyeshTaa Nakshatra. Krishana returned from Hastinaapura after his unsuccessful peace mission on Uttara Palghuna day. Starting from that day, the seventh day is New-moon day (amaavaasya) with Saturn on Rohini Nakshatra as discussed by Vyaasa. Rahu was approaching the Sun, and the Moon was turning towards Amaavaasya (New-Moon day). 36 years after the Mahabharat war, Yaadava kula was destroyed. This was predicted by Krishana by astrological happening – “Rahu has compressed Purnima on Chaturdasi day. This happened once before the Mahabharata war and again will be happening soon and this will lead to our destruction”. He remembered Gandhari’s curse on the Yadava kula. Astrologically a strange phenomenon occurred during the Mahabharata war. The lunar cycle (paksha – normally is 15 days) sometimes happens in fourteen days. But during the Mahabharata war-time a rare thing happened – the paksha got compressed to 13 days. (May be 13 is a bad number). This aspect has been discussed in the Bhiishma parva – 3rd Adhyaaya. Guru and Shani are in Vaishaaka, Moon and the Sun entered in the same house one after the other making amaavaasya on the Trayodasi day it self . This peculiar condensation of the thithiis into thirteen from fifteen is a rare phenomenon as discussed by Vyaasa in Mahabharat and has inevitably followed by mass destruction due to war. This incident provided a direct means to establish the precise date of Mahabharat war. According to Julian calendar this type of planetary collusion occurred definitely in 3076 BC in November. Vyaasa writes: Caturdashiim panchadashiim Bhuuta puurvamca shoodhashiim Imaantu naabhi jaaneham Amaavaasyaam trayodashiim Chandra suurya bhougrastou Ekamevam trayodashiim AparvaNi grahaNe tou Prajaa sakshapaishyataH|| “ I have seen fourteen days a paksha, fifteen day completion or extension to sixteenth day also. This amaavaasya falling on the thirteenth day itself I have never seen before” – says Vyasa. That, on the same month Sun and Moon eclipses falling during the missing thitiies is a rare phenomenon, resulting in large-scale disaster to people. One month before, in Margashira, during Purvaashhaada Nakshatra, armies of Pandavaas and Kouravaas have assembled on the West and the East sides of the Hiranya river , respectively. The next day was Navaraatri and Durga Puja day. Duryodhana was itching for the war. That evening Duryodhana sends a word with Sekuni’s son Ulaka, “ We have finished the prayer to the arms and everybody is ready – why there is further delay in starting the war?” The next day, Margashira Shudda Ekadashi day, in KRittika Nakshatra, the war started. Hence, the famous Bhagavad Geeta teaching also started on that day. The war began at 6:30 am. The date according to Julian calendar was 22nd November, 3067B.C. Other notable incidences that occurred: Bhiishma’s death: Maagha Shuddha AshTami day in Rohini Nakshtra in the afternoon that 58th day after the war started, Bhiishma died. ( This is the actual death – He actually fell in the war on the 10th day after the war started). Sri Krishna’s Birth – He was born on 3112B.C. on Friday at 11:40 PM. Pandavaas Birth – YudhishTara was born on August 31, 3114BC, Tuesday (Mangala Vaaram) Shudda Panchami JyeshhTaa Nakshatra – He was 696 days elder to Krishna. Bhiima was 347 days younger to YudhishTara. – Krishna Trayodashi, Makha Nakshatra, and Arjuana was 303 days younger to Bhiima. Shukla Chaturdashi Soma Vaaram (Monday) Uttara PhalguNi Nakshtra. When Pandavaas came to Hastinaapura after the death of their father Pandu, it was 3091BC and YudhishTara was 14years, 9 months and 11days old. When he was coranated by Bhiishma as a prince, YudhishTara was 20 years, 1 month and 26 days old. (November, 3094BC). They reached Varanasi in PalguNa Shuddha AshTami RohiNi Nakshtra. Droupadi’s Swayamvaram –in 3091BC, April – to reach the Wax-house it took 10 days for Pandavaas. They stayed there for an year. After the burning of the wax-house, they spent six months in the Shaalihotraa’s ashram and seven months in Ekachatra city. The second coronation and building of Indraprasta was in November 3091BC, seven months after the marriage. Rajasuuya yagna was performed after Arjuna’s dig vijaya tour – It took five years and six months for Arjuna. Subhadra’s marriage was in April 3084BC. Three months after that was Khadava vana dahanam. Abhimanyu was born in 3083BC, February. Kaliyugam started in 3105BC, October 13th, Amaavaasya Mangala (Tuesday) JyeshaTa Nakshatra - Kali was born. This was the most inauspicious day. The next Pournima day (Full-moon day) was full eclipse of the Moon, October 1, 3104BC. That was the day, when the five grahaas along with moon were in DhanishTaa Nakshatra. Dharmajaa’s Rajasuuya – Fifteen years before the Mahabharata war was the Rajasuuya yagna of Dharmaja. That day was amaavaasya (new-moon day) JyeshTa Muula nakshtra . YudhishTara shakam started in 3082BC, October 26th . The gambling and the banishment of Pandavaas to forest was in November 3081BC, Margashira shukla-Trayodashi. Vanavaasam was 12 years and living incognito was for one year (13 lunar years + 5 lunar months + 12 days or 13 solar years plus 18 days) – Bhiimshma calculates and declares that Dhurodhana’s calculations were wrong. AJNaata vaasam (living incognito) began in Margashira 3069BC. Arjuna was noticed on Margashira Krishna Navami, 3068BC. The Great war began on 3067BC, Friday 22nd November, Margashira shudda ekadashi Nakshatra. The war lasted for 18 days. Dharmaraju ruled for only 36 years. 25years later YudhishTara shaka started. (Thursday October 26th). Fifteen years after Dharmaja rule started, Dhutaraashtra, Gandhaari, Vidura, Kunti and Sanjaya left for Vaanaprasta (forest living). That year itself Vidura performed praayopavesham. Two years after that Dhrutaraashtra, Gandhaari and Kunti got caught in the forest fire and died. Sanjaya was only left. Shrii Krishna passed away on 3031BC, April 13th Friday. Pandavaas Maahaa Prastaanam was in 3031BC, in November. These are the dates that matched the Indian astrological description of the stars and the moon, and Julian Calendar predictions. There is so much self consistency in all the events and the descriptions that it makes one to wonder. Based on these exact information Mahabhaarat must be Five thousand years Old (from today) as per the historical accounting. The analysis is extremely precise and scientific, matching the astrological position of the Indian and the Julian Calendars. The beauty and the scientific psychoanalysis of Bhagavad Geeta stand out as monumental contribution by the Mahabharat period to the mankind. Based on the above facts the historicity of Mahabharat cannot be questioned. Translation by K. Sadananda Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 1999 Report Share Posted April 8, 1999 On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Kuntimaddi Sadananda wrote: > "Kuntimaddi Sadananda" <k_sadananda > > Historicity of Mahabharat > > > This article is based on the information that I found in March 1995 > issue of “Saptagiri” published in Telugu by Tirumala Tirupati > Devastaanam, authored by Shrii Janamaddi Hanumanta Rao. The article > itself was based on the research effort by Professor K. Srinivasa > Raghavan. The research was acclaimed by several famous pundits of > Panchanga Shaastra including the Secretary of the All India Panchanga > Samskarana Sangha, Pandit Radhashyaam Shaastri from Hariyana, and Vice > chancellor of Sourashtra University, Shrii D.R. Mankad, etc. > > Based on the astrological information provided by Veda Vyaasa (Position > of the stars etc), Mahabharat war was estimated to have started on > 3067B.C. on 22nd November. On the day of the war, the astrological > positions of the Sun, Moon, Rahu, Saturn, Guru, Mangala and Sukra > planets have been described by Vyaasa. By looking at the position based > on Panchangam, Indian Calendar, and matching with the position of the > stars described by Vyaas and comparing with the Julian Calendar, one can > arrive at the precise dates for the war. Furthermore all other related > incidents that took place before and after the war were described in > Mahabhaarat, and the dates for these can be precisely matched with the > Julian calendar, as discussed bellow. > > [...] > > There is so much self consistency in all the events and the descriptions > that it makes one to wonder. Based on these exact information > Mahabhaarat must be Five thousand years Old (from today) as per the > historical accounting. > > The analysis is extremely precise and scientific, matching the > astrological position of the Indian and the Julian Calendars. > > The beauty and the scientific psychoanalysis of Bhagavad Geeta stand out > as monumental contribution by the Mahabharat period to the mankind. > Based on the above facts the historicity of Mahabharat cannot be > questioned. > > Translation by K. Sadananda > namaste. Thanks for an excellent analysis of the timing of the mahAbhAratA war. I agree with you about the historicity of the mahAbhAratA. Recent summarization by Shri Kalyanaraman and others (of which you are well aware) on the Saraswati River valley adds to the growing evidence about the historicity of the events of mahAbhAratA. BalarAmA's travels (during the war) along the Saraswati River valley are well described in mahAbhArata and seem to be consistent with the recent archeological work. I have slightly different figures for the timing of the MahAbhAratA and RAmAyaNa, again based on astronomical evidence. RAmAyaNa took place apparently around 7600 B.C.E. and mahAbhAratA war commenced on October 16, 5561 B.C.E. This is based on P.V. Vartak's work on timing of astronomical events described in the two texts. I agree there is a war that took place during history, very similar to mahAbhAratA war. The poet's imagination (to some extent, but based on historicity of the events) added to the beauty of the story and the description. The aspect that is of more interest (to me) is the historicity of the characters in the mahAbhAratA, particularly Lord KrishNa. My questions are: 1. Is Lord KrishNa's character in mahAbhArata built on a yAdava chief of that time who is a jnAni? 2. Is Lord KrishNa (taking out the Godly powers attributed to Him in the mahAbhAratA) the same as Shri RamaNa maharshhi of the modern days? I always considered KrishNa as the Consciousness of Arjuna (and all the other jeevAs), in which case they are not different embodiments. Is attributing historicity in conflict with that thinking? Regards Gummuluru Murthy ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 1999 Report Share Posted April 9, 1999 >Gummuluru Murthy <gmurthy > My questions are: > >1. Is Lord KrishNa's character in mahAbhArata built on a yAdava chief > of that time who is a jnAni? > >2. Is Lord KrishNa (taking out the Godly powers attributed to Him in > the mahAbhAratA) the same as Shri RamaNa maharshhi of the modern days? > I always considered KrishNa as the Consciousness of Arjuna (and all the > other jeevAs), in which case they are not different embodiments. > Is attributing historicity in conflict with that thinking? > >Regards >Gummuluru Murthy Murthy gaaru - such questions can never be answered to ones satisfaction. Here individual faith comes into picture. From the Aadhyaatmic point of view it is immeterial Mahaabhaarat is historical or not. But from cultural point of view, it is important to establish the truth. We have been brainwashed that Indus civilization started with the Normadic group entering into India and settling down. This history was fed to us by half baked Western Historians and from our point it is important to establish what is our origin. Saraswati delta story is much more revealing. I do hope research will continue in that direction. Hari Om! Sadananda _____________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 1999 Report Share Posted April 10, 1999 Dear Sada, I am happy to know that you have settled in Madras with phone, computer and email. I requested your wife to submit the Kalamandap request for donation form Mr. Krshnan. If he gives some donation, then you can get made to order certain basic requirements for Kalamandapam such as foldable Mandapam, trees and picture slides for background scenes and some cow,tiger ,deer ,elphant masks etc, ,and spare Kuchhipudi dreses at Madras. You can buy quality products for cheap price at Madras and also you will be supporting artisan. Spring is here. I will get some quotations for reroofing of your house. Wish you sound health. Ram Bhat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 1999 Report Share Posted April 10, 1999 >Murthy gaaru - such questions can never be answered to ones >.satisfaction. Here individual faith comes into picture. From the >Aadhyaatmic point of view it is immeterial Mahaabhaarat is historical >or not. But from cultural point of view, it is important to >establish the truth. We have been brainwashed that Indus >civilization started with the Normadic group entering into India and >settling down. This history was fed to us by half baked Western >Historians and from our point it is important to establish what is >our origin. Saraswati delta story is much more revealing. I do hope >research will continue in that direction. Hari Om! Sadananda Namaste, There is currently some interesting research being done indicating that rather than Normadic groups entering India there was a migration of groups leaving India bringing out of India much knowledge. For instance there has been uncovered an astrological system from ancient Ireland that is much like Jyotish. Such discoveries little by little should enable us to piece together a history other than what has been taken to be true by 'half baked Western Historians'. Dr. David Frawley in Gods, Sages and Kings gives us chronological data that does much to refute the theory of an invasion of Nomadic peoples into India. Linda _____________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------ You can now easily share photos and documents with your fellow list members http://www.ONElist.com Check out our homepage for details on how to use our new shared files feature! ------ Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. List Archives available at: /viewarchive.cgi?listname=advaitin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 1999 Report Share Posted April 11, 1999 Greetings: The points raised by Sada and Linda are quite important to understand the origin of the ancient Hindu culture and traditions. For past few days I searched through the Internet to find more facts related to the Shiva tradition identified by the philosphy correspond to pasu-pati-pasam. Interestingly, the Shiva worship is spread across the length and breadth of India from ancient time. The holiest temple in Nepal is Pashupatinath - the Lord of the pashus (cows). Of all the rivers of the Kathmandu Valley, the Bagmati is the most important. The Bagmati River in Eastern Kathmandu is considered a sacred river because it eventually flows into the holy Ganges. Here, people come to pray at Pashupatinath, Nepal's most important Hindu temple. People come to the hospice here to die and be cremated on the banks of Bagmati the river. Her source at Bagdwar is believed to have been created by divine powers. One day Lord Shiva got tired of his glittering palace on the Kailas mountain :so he searched a perfect location where he could holiday. Without telling anyone (even his wife Parbati), he ran away from his palace and, through his cosmic powers, arrived in the Kathmandu Valley. He gained great fame here as Pashupati, before other Gods discovered his hiding place and came to fetch him. So, for more than fifteen centuries, Pashupatinath has been the holiest pilgrimage destination for Hindus from India andNepal. Sometimes named "Benares of Nepal", the Pashupatinath complex is very large, with guest houses, temples, shrines and other landmarks. The present main temple was built by King Bhupatindra Malla in 1697. He is characterized by a gold-plated roof, silver doors, and woodcarvings on the pagoda.. Along the river Bagmati are a series of ghats, where cremation ceremonies take place : first, the corpse, wrapped in yellow cloth, takes their last bath in the purifying and sacred water of the river. In order to prevent the soul from escaping through the feet and reincarnating into a lower form of life, the feet are plunged into the sacred river. Then the body, unwrapped, is placed on the funeral pyre and cremated. Finally, the remaining ashes are swept into the river. Nearby the temples, there are many Sadhus, Hindu sages who follow the lifestyle of Shiva. They have abandoned their caste and all their belongings except a loin cloth. They believe that through asceticism, they can liberate their soul from samsara. (Source: Travel diary of E. Fromentel http://www.edouard.com/travel/kathmandu-valley/nepalgb11.html ) The Indus civilization was recognized to be of nonAryan origin the major God depicted on the seals was Rudra/Siva in his aspect of Pasupati with many of the characteristic features of Rudra/Siva as described in the texts. This God had been, even earlier, branded as a "Dravidian God" and his sole presence on the seals clinched (in their opinion) the Dravidian character of the civilization. In the Indus seals, Pasupati Shiva is seated in a Yogic posture. Besides the Pasupati Shiva seated in Padmasana on a Harappan seal other teracotta figurines suggest the practice of Yoga as early as 2000 B.C. (Source: http://www.india-times.com/heritage/faq.html#a14 ) Shiva worship was quite prevalent in Kashmir and other northern Indian States. In Maharastra Shiva worship was quite significant and important. (Shiva Sena was also known as pashupati sena - the protectors of cows). Shiva was a main deity in large number of temples in the south and in Tamilnadu, there are five major temples for Pashupathinath: Pasupateeswarar Temple at Tirukkandeeswaram near Mayiladuturai Pasupateswarar Temple at Tiruvetkalam near Chidambaram Pasupatheeswarar temple at Varanjaram near Kallakurichi (Villuppuram) Pasupathi Nathar Temple at Pasupati Kovil near Kumbakonam Pasupati Nathar Temple at Thittai near Kumbakonam On the basis of my quick search, I feel confident to say that the origin of Hindu Heritage is India and there is no evidence to support that it came from outside India! Other References: A comprehensive catalog of recent publications related to Excavations Researches are available from Vedambooks at the Website: (http://www.vedamsbooks.com/archaeol.htm ) Two recent publications: Historical Archaeology of India/M.K. Dhavalikar. 1999, 374 p., figs., illustrations, $95 (less 40% discount. Free airmail delivery). ISBN 81-85016-55-0. Details No. 14443 The Ancient Port of Arikamedu : New Excavations and Researches 1989-1992 Volume One/Vimala Begley. 1996, 400 p., illustrated, $95 (less 40% discount. Free airmail delivery). [To be complete in Two Volumes.] ISBN 2-85539-421-X.Details No. 14377 -- Ram Chandran Burke, VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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