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Dear advaitins,

 

Hari Om!

 

Coming from a prolonged silence, I have a question to dear knowledgable

members of the list.

 

In Gita verse 2.13 it says:

'As the soul passes in this body through childhood, youth and age, even so

is its taking on of another body. The sage is not perplexed by this'.

 

The question is: At which point the meeting between soul and body takes

place? If the body begins with a single cell and develops into an embryo

and a baby, then the soul joins it... when? And is there a point at which

the soul 'forgets' about its infinite nature to start its journey to

infinite?

 

With love,

 

Lilia

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>Lilia Stepanova <ls691035

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>Dear advaitins,

>

>Hari Om!

>

>Coming from a prolonged silence, I have a question to dear knowledgable

>members of the list.

>

>In Gita verse 2.13 it says:

>'As the soul passes in this body through childhood, youth and age, even so

>is its taking on of another body. The sage is not perplexed by this'.

>

>The question is: At which point the meeting between soul and body takes

>place? If the body begins with a single cell and develops into an embryo

>and a baby, then the soul joins it... when? And is there a point at which

>the soul 'forgets' about its infinite nature to start its journey to

>infinite?

>

>With love,

>

>Lilia

>

Lilia.

Greetings – I do not think I am going to answer the question the way you

want. I will try to answer it they way I understand.

 

First I am not sure there is any correct answer. If the body is alive then

there is some kind of life force that enlivens it. At what stage of the

embryo growth, the embryo can be separately considered as a life force that

sustains the embryo? A fertilized egg cannot grow by itself. It has to be

implanted in a host until it can sustain major life activities. Till then

it may have only a dormant life. Soul as understood in Adviata Vedanta is

different from others. In Advaita, what we refer to the soul or jeeva

bhaavana is only the subtle body; that is mind and intellect, which may be

in a rudimentary form in the plants and little more evolved mind in animals

and fully evolved in man with intellect fully developed. When death occurs

the subtle body leaves the gross body and moves in the direction dictated by

its last powerful vasana that is germinating in that subtle body. It goes

in search of a conducive environment to its stock of vaasanas. Rather I

should say it gravitates to that environment. In deep sleep, the soul is

engulfed by the tamasic guna that it is completely dormant. That does not

mean the one who is sleeping is not alive. Hence even in the fertilized egg

the subtle body of that will be in the dormant phase – tamasic. When the

body, mind and intellect develop, it manifests in its full glory. Subtler

the intellect the greater it shines. Actually the soul in a true sense is

the consciousness itself but identified with the subtle body. If the subtle

body is pure like a clean mirror, then it shines through it completely. If

the mirror is dull, even though the light is bright, the reflection is poor.

If it is completely dull then even if it reflects nothing can be seen

through. This is essentially the state of an egg, which is fully in the

Tamasic State.

 

Krishna of course is referring to the individuality, which is the ego, which

is identification of the consciousness with the mind and intellect as ‘I am

this’. That notion is not fully developed in an embryo or in the plant. It

exists with full ignorance with lack of consciousness, and of course,

self-consciousness. By the time it evolves into an animal it has

consciousness but not self-consciousness. That is it is conscious of the

surroundings and may be to some extent about itself. But only with

intellect the shining is fuller. Science can tell us that if the cell has

the capacity to divide itself it has made it – of expression of life is

already manifested. Whether it is conscious or not is not the criteria just

as a sleeping man is not conscious of his environment. Krishna’s

declaration is one cannot destroy a soul. At the most the subtle body can

leave the gross body when it is no more advantageous to live there or when

it is forced to leave the gross body, due to its prarabda.

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

 

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> ----Original Message-----

> Lilia Stepanova [sMTP:ls691035]

> Monday, May 24, 1999 10:08 AM

> advaitin

> Soul and body

>

> The question is: At which point the meeting between soul and body takes

> place?

[Madhava Replies:]

This is what I learned:

 

This happens at the seventh month. The husband has to chant a

rigvedic hymn requesting the Aryama, the manager of the pitRlOka, to send a

divine soul who could get good name to the family, or a soul that has some

good wishes to be fulfilled, or a soul that has fallen from the path of

yoga...; And while chanting this hymn, husband has to take a comb, that is

carved out of a bone, and show the path to the soul (we call it as pApaDi)

on his wife's head, where the hair is equally divided. The soul that

arrives is supposed to land on his wife's forehead (where we put sindhur)

and walk through the path and descend in to the womb through the "brahma

randhra".

 

Then the Aryama, having received the application, consults the fore

fathers who are interested in taking re-birth in that particular family.

Then the soul, having taken the permission from the Aryama, starts his

travel through the krishna paksha and reaches the womb.

 

Also a saMavEda pundiT has to play the bruhat saama, in the back

ground, during this time. This is to ease the pain that the soul has

undergone while traveling through the Krishnagati (dark path). All the

demi-Gods will come down to watch this divine show and bless the soul that

is descending in to the womb.

 

By the way, it is the same Aryama who is referred by Bhagawan in his

holy geeta. (pitRuNAm "aryama"scAsmi)

 

In my ethnic community, we call this function as SeemamtaM. This is

one of the obligatory duties for all the grahastas. It is said that if one

doesn't perform this function, his forefathers will cry in the pitRlOka!

> If the body begins with a single cell and develops into an embryo

> and a baby, then the soul joins it... when? And is there a point at which

> the soul 'forgets' about its infinite nature to start its journey to

> infinite?

[Madhava Replies:]

Yes! Please read Geeta, Bhawan says "dvaMdva mOhEna abhijAtOsi

pAnDava", by *birth* all beings forget about their infinite nature, and by

death (of the mortal coil) they get the knowledge of their infinite nature

again, for a limited time.

> With love,

>

> Lilia

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Thank you dear advaitins for answering my question. I tried to explain to

myself a recent experience, but can not reach any conclusions.

 

Thanks again

 

Lilia

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