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We are told that the individual is nothing but "satchidAnanda". Here I am

trying to understand, thinking out loud, how I am a satchidAnanda.

 

We feel that we lost something and searching for it....

In reality, Can we ever loose any thing that we do not have!?

 

sat: (immortality)

============

*I* want to be immortal. I will never hesitate to kill a snake, because as

long as the snake lives, I am not sure whether I can live with out getting

harm. Either I kill the snake or I try to flee. Only because I can live at

some other place for some more time. The real intention was that "I want to

live, if possible for ever". Why do *I* want to live? because *I* knew

what it was to live for ever (immortality)

 

cit: (knowledge)

============

I want to know everything. *I* feel I lost some thing because of not

knowing some thing. For example, I do not know the meaning of "gaagaabubu"

and *I* desperately search for it. Because, as long as I do not know the

meaning of "gaagaabubu" I am limited in my knowledge. That feeling makes me

frustrated!

 

Most of the people in this world are bestowed by universities with

"certificate of ignorance". I am a Systems Engineer, I know computers.

That means, I don't know civil engineering, I don't know medicine, I don't

know thousands of other things. A great amount of ignorance, a little

amount of knowledge.

 

If you question me: "do you know the meaning of gaagaabubu?", I will reply

that *I* do not know.". Then, you question "how do you know that you do

not know the meaning of gaagaabubu?", I will reply "I know that I do not

know"...

 

Having the knowledge of some thing has made *me* secure, loosing it is

making *me* frustrated. Hence, in the beginning I was knowledgeable, but

now *I* feel that *I* am ignorant.

 

ananda: (happiness)

===============

*I* search for happiness, because I feel that *I* lost it. In reality, some

where before the known time, *I* must be totally happy. Since, *I* know

what it means to be totally happy, *I am* struggling to gain that happiness

again.

 

 

The genuine question is: "How did it happen that I lost it?"...

Answer is: "You never lost. In deed, you are thinking that you lost it. That

thinking makes it real."

 

sat+chit+ananda = parabhrahma

(sat+chit+ananda) + jeevabhaava = The resplendent world of the individual.

Remove the "jeevabhava" (individuality) you are *that*. tat-tvaM-asi.

 

Hari Om! tat sat!

 

-mAdhava

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>"Vivekananda Centre" <vivekananda

>advaitin

>"advaita list" <advaitin >

>CC: "sadanandaji" <k_sadananda

> Nature of Reality

>Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:59:34 +0100

>

>"Vivekananda Centre" <vivekananda

>

>The following explanation from Sadanandji is superb.

>

> >"satyam JNaanam anantam Brhamham which is same as sat chit ananda is

> >Brahman. The equation is from Shruthis. Trikaala abhaaditam satyam that

> >which remains the same in three periods of time alone is the truth. Real

>is

> >defined. Please note that I did not say or imply any way that "unreal

>means

> >changing" - In fact I gave a clear example for what is unreal - that

>which

> >has no locus at any time - ex. vandyaa putraH is typical example. man's

>horn

> >is another example. The world - jagat that which undergoes continuos

> >changes is neither real nor unreal - Hence Mithya is the word brought in

>to

> >define that chaning things since they exist but there is changing part -

> >naama and ruupa - The existence part is the real base for it and changing

> >part is only the mithya part. Once this is clear then the rest of the

> >arguments are straight forward. --

>

><snip>

> Sadanandji--

>

>Even though he may have developed this theme in the past may I request him

>to develop these ideas further (specially):-

>

>(1)

>Sat Chit Ananda or Asti Bhati Priya are considered to be the nearest we can

>come to understanding Brahman.

>

>"Sat maybe equated to Asti"

>Kindly develop this relationship.

>

>(2)

>Shankracharya's explanation that the world is neither real nor unreal is

>excellent.

>If we now change this to say that the world is a mixture of real and unreal

>what technical difference do you see in this approach? Are there any merits

>or demerits in this?

>

>jay

>

>

>

>

>May I request Sadanadji to develop this idea further as his superb

>explanations are very valuable.

>

>

>

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poojya sadanandagaru,

 

praNAms! you wanted to convey some thing on this topic! I seem to be

missing it. There is no text in the message but blank. Please re-post it.

 

Thank you.

 

Earnest Regards,

Madhava

>

> Kuntimaddi Sadananda [sMTP:k_sadananda]

> Monday, June 14, 1999 4:15 AM

> advaitin

> Re: Nature of Reality

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> Kuntimaddi Sadananda <k_sadananda

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On Sat, 12 Jun 1999, Madhava K. Turumella wrote:

> "Madhava K. Turumella" <madhava

>

> We are told that the individual is nothing but "satchidAnanda". Here I am

> trying to understand, thinking out loud, how I am a satchidAnanda.

>

> We feel that we lost something and searching for it....

> In reality, Can we ever loose any thing that we do not have!?

>

 

namaste.

 

I did not follow this thread closely before. As there is a bit of pause

on the discussion in this thread, I thought that I should jump in with the

following response to Shri Madhava's post.

 

Firstly, as per my understanding, the *individual* is *not*

sat-cit-Ananda. Only when the individuality perishes, sat-cit-Ananda

evolves out.

> sat: (immortality)

> ============

> *I* want to be immortal. I will never hesitate to kill a snake, because as

> long as the snake lives, I am not sure whether I can live with out getting

> harm. Either I kill the snake or I try to flee. Only because I can live at

> some other place for some more time. The real intention was that "I want to

> live, if possible for ever". Why do *I* want to live? because *I* knew

> what it was to live for ever (immortality)

>

 

The I in the first sentence above that *wants* to be immortal is the

lower case i. This i is the ego, the aham- which is an antahkaraNavr^tti

(modification of the internal sense organ) with its possessions of buddhi,

manas and deha (intellect, mind and body). This i wants to be immortal

but can never be immortal. The upper case I, the Consciousness, does not

want anything, and is immortal whatever the wish of the i (the lower

case i) is. In the above quote, the snake is killed by the lower case i

in its desparate quest for immortality. However, as Shri Shankara says

in Bhaja Govindam "...samprApte sannihite kAle, nahi nahi rakshati ...":

when the time comes, how much effort is made (and how many snakes killed),

the little i will have to face its death and there is no saving for it.

 

Shri Madhava asks the question above "... Why do *I* want to live ? " and

answers it " because *I* knew what it was to live for ever (immortality)".

 

I am afraid the *I* referred in the question and the answer refer to two

different I's. In the question, the I refers to the lower case i, which

wants to live for ever (I frankly do not know why the lower case i wants

to live for ever). In the answer, the I referred is the Consciousness,

the immortal.

> cit: (knowledge)

> ============

> I want to know everything. *I* feel I lost some thing because of not

> knowing some thing. For example, I do not know the meaning of "gaagaabubu"

> and *I* desperately search for it. Because, as long as I do not know the

> meaning of "gaagaabubu" I am limited in my knowledge. That feeling makes me

> frustrated!

>

> Most of the people in this world are bestowed by universities with

> "certificate of ignorance". I am a Systems Engineer, I know computers.

> That means, I don't know civil engineering, I don't know medicine, I don't

> know thousands of other things. A great amount of ignorance, a little

> amount of knowledge.

>

> If you question me: "do you know the meaning of gaagaabubu?", I will reply

> that *I* do not know.". Then, you question "how do you know that you do

> not know the meaning of gaagaabubu?", I will reply "I know that I do not

> know"...

>

> Having the knowledge of some thing has made *me* secure, loosing it is

> making *me* frustrated. Hence, in the beginning I was knowledgeable, but

> now *I* feel that *I* am ignorant.

>

 

But, isn't this "gaagaabubu", the Systems Engineering etc the lower

knowledge ? It does not make a difference whether one has this lower

knowledge or not. It is the lower i, in its continuous struggle to

cross this saMsAra, somehow mistakes the parA and apara vidyAs and

feels frustrated and insecure giving importance to the lower knowledge.

If we have the higher Knowledge (which we have and which we are), we

can never loose It. We may think we have lost it.

 

> ananda: (happiness)

> ===============

> *I* search for happiness, because I feel that *I* lost it. In reality, some

> where before the known time, *I* must be totally happy. Since, *I* know

> what it means to be totally happy, *I am* struggling to gain that happiness

> again.

>

>

> The genuine question is: "How did it happen that I lost it?"...

> Answer is: "You never lost. In deed, you are thinking that you lost it. That

> thinking makes it real."

>

> sat+chit+ananda = parabhrahma

> (sat+chit+ananda) + jeevabhaava = The resplendent world of the individual.

> Remove the "jeevabhava" (individuality) you are *that*. tat-tvaM-asi.

>

 

In contemplating on tat tvam asi, one has to be careful what the tvam is.

Tvam is *not* the individual with this body, mind and intellect. Tvam is

not the thoughts or the emotions that go through, but tvam is the substratum

on which all these are superimposed [dehendriya manah prANAhmkr^tibhyo

vilakshaNah: Shri Shankara's vAkyavr^tti)

> Hari Om! tat sat!

>

> -mAdhava

 

Regards

Gummuluru Murthy

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Thank you very much Murthygaru.

 

Frankly, I do not know that there is this much difference between the "Big

I" and the "Small I" :-)

 

Best Regards,

Madhava

>

> Gummuluru Murthy [sMTP:gmurthy]

> Tuesday, June 15, 1999 5:39 PM

> advaitin

> Re: Nature of Reality

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> Gummuluru Murthy <gmurthy

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At 06:03 PM 6/15/99 +0300, you wrote:

>"Madhava K. Turumella" <madhava

>

>Thank you very much Murthygaru.

>

>Frankly, I do not know that there is this much difference between the "Big

>I" and the "Small I" :-)

 

Only that the small "i" (the ego/mind complex) is pure illusion and

ignorance, while the "Big I" (the Atman/Brahman) is real, eternal, formless

and all-pervasive. Some difference, huh? :-)

 

In Sadhana,

 

Tim

 

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At 09:41 AM 6/15/99 -0700, Tim Gerchmez wrote:

>Tim Gerchmez <fewtch

>

>At 06:03 PM 6/15/99 +0300, you wrote:

>>"Madhava K. Turumella" <madhava

>>

>>Thank you very much Murthygaru.

>>

>>Frankly, I do not know that there is this much difference between the "Big

>>I" and the "Small I" :-)

>

>Only that the small "i" (the ego/mind complex) is pure illusion and

>ignorance, while the "Big I" (the Atman/Brahman) is real, eternal, formless

>and all-pervasive. Some difference, huh? :-)

 

The Big "I" is the unseen see-er, and the small "i," which never sees, is

one of the things seen.

 

--Greg

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Tim Gerchmez <fewtch

 

At 06:03 PM 6/15/99 +0300, you wrote:

>"Madhava K. Turumella" <madhava

>

>Thank you very much Murthygaru.

>

>Frankly, I do not know that there is this much difference between the "Big

>I" and the "Small I" :-)

 

Only that the small "i" (the ego/mind complex) is pure illusion and

ignorance, while the "Big I" (the Atman/Brahman) is real, eternal, formless

and all-pervasive. Some difference, huh? :-)

 

In Sadhana,

 

Tim

 

 

Harsha: There is only One I. That is The Eye. Small I is the Big I. Self is

the Eye.

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