Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 I would like to submit this article and ask if in the view of readers in India-Pakistan whether it is fair and historically accurate and if there are suggestions you would make or ideas. As Advaitins I realize most are committed to Shankaracharya or Ramana Maharshi, Ramakrishna, and I'm sure there are no few of you who as celebates are also practitioners of nonviolence and these issues are painful to discuss, but I would only raise them to gather what people feel is needed to resolve some of these issues... The India - Pakistan war could easily get far worse as both sides mount offensives and the situation could deteriorate very rapidly as both sides have threatened the other with nuclear weapons and missiles. Hundreds of soldiers are loosing their lives as this is being written. Like Northern Ireland and Serbia in Kosovo there are centuries of pain and persecution. Kashmir was used by the Moslem Moghul emperors as their resort and recreation palaces while they ruled predominantly Hindu India for centuries. Living under Moslem rule was a difficult and sometimes humiliating thing for Hindus who had to pay special taxes and had their own rights superceded by the Moslem rulers. Then came the partition of India into largely Moslem and Hindu states causing greater misunderstanding , pain, division and strife. The reason Kashmir is such a difficult situation is that legally the Indian government has title to the area, but Moslems have predominantly controlled the area. Moslems are not used to living in governmental jurisdictions (as in Israel) they do not control, hence the distrust and animosity. The question being can Moslems living in jurisdiction of the government of India that is predominantly Hindu find peace and justice? Vinoba Bhave would have answered "yes" and proved his point years ago by single- handedly disarming guirilla bands of Kashmiri Moslems that also then operated along the border. There are also the good examples of Kabir a saint respected by both Moslems and Hindus as well as Sikhs... Obviously we need more Vinobas and more Kabirs and some ways in which dialogue can take the place of the escalating violence. Will Pakistan and India be able to diplomatically agree to a planned disarmament program that will reduce the nuclear weapons and missles under some kind of agreed inspection program? An arms race is not what either country would seem able to afford. - Arthur Gregory lgregory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 The only suggestion "I" have is to read the Bhagavad-Gita. That should resolve all issues for anyone who gives it a sincere reading. ---------- > The Clan <lgregory > advaitin > War in Kashmir > Friday, July 09, 1999 5:32 PM > > lgregory (The Clan) > > I would like to submit this article and ask if in the view of readers in > India-Pakistan whether it is fair and historically accurate and if there > are suggestions you would make or ideas. As Advaitins I realize most are > committed to Shankaracharya or Ramana Maharshi, Ramakrishna, and I'm sure > there are no few of you who as celebates are also practitioners of > nonviolence and these issues are painful to discuss, but I would only raise > them to gather what people feel is needed to resolve some of these > issues... > > > The India - Pakistan war could easily get far worse as both sides mount > offensives and the situation could deteriorate very rapidly as both sides > have threatened the other with nuclear weapons and missiles. Hundreds of > soldiers are loosing their lives as this is being written. > > Like Northern Ireland and Serbia in Kosovo there are centuries of pain and > persecution. Kashmir was used by the Moslem Moghul emperors as their > resort and recreation palaces while they ruled predominantly Hindu India > for centuries. Living under Moslem rule was a difficult and sometimes > humiliating thing for Hindus who had to pay special taxes and had their own > rights superceded by the Moslem rulers. Then came the partition of India > into largely Moslem and Hindu states causing greater misunderstanding , > pain, division and strife. > > The reason Kashmir is such a difficult situation is that legally the > Indian government has title to the area, but Moslems have predominantly > controlled the area. Moslems are not used to living in governmental > jurisdictions (as in Israel) they do not control, hence the distrust and > animosity. > > The question being can Moslems living in jurisdiction of the government of > India that is predominantly Hindu find peace and justice? Vinoba Bhave > would have answered "yes" and proved his point years ago by single- > handedly disarming guirilla bands of Kashmiri Moslems that also then > operated along the border. There are also the good examples of Kabir a > saint respected by both Moslems and Hindus as well as Sikhs... > > Obviously we need more Vinobas and more Kabirs and some ways in which > dialogue can take the place of the escalating violence. Will Pakistan and > India be able to diplomatically agree to a planned disarmament program > that will reduce the nuclear weapons and missles under some kind of agreed > inspection program? An arms race is not what either country would seem able > to afford. > > - Arthur Gregory > > > > lgregory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Attention ONElist list owners. > > We've just added a "NO ATTACHMENTS" option. See homepage for details. > > ------ > Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. List Archives available at: /viewarchive.cgi?listname=advaitin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 1999 Report Share Posted July 10, 1999 I agree with Tim and more than me Mahatma Gandhi was in total agreement with his view. This is what Mahatma Gandhi has to say about the role of Gita in his life. “I find a solace in the Bhagavad Gita that I miss even in the Sermon on the Mount. When disappointment stares me in the face and all alone I see no one ray of light, I go back to the Bhagavad Gita. I find a verse here and a verse there and I immediately begin to smile in the midst of overwhelming tragedies - and my life has been full of external tragedies - and if they have left no visible, no indelible scar on me, I owe it all the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita.” M. K. Gandhi, young India (1925), pp. 1078-79. Some issues may not be resolvable without a war as evidenced by the Mahabharat War and War is the last resort. In fact, Gandhi tried his level best to avoid the division of India into India-Pakistan by religion but it became inevitable. I hope that wisdom prevails and peace survives! Ram Chandran Tim Gerchmez wrote: > "Tim Gerchmez" <fewtch > > The only suggestion "I" have is to read the Bhagavad-Gita. That should > resolve all issues for anyone who gives it a sincere reading. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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