inconceivability

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Dear Greg & all,

>

> This is nice. Not having either belief

(existence OR non-existence) is

> best, ?no?

>

 

Well... my first reaction is total agreement even

though " life without belief " is philisophical

scepticism which sounds a little irreligious but

really isn't the denial of truth as much as a

denial of human concepts about it. [ see below

.... ]

>

> >I don't think whatever is logical is therefore

true.

>

> What is true? The normal philsophical definition

is that a true statement

> is one whose meaning corresponds with a state of

affairs in the outside

> world. But with the non-dual notion of objects

not being separate from

> consciousness, there is really no outside world.

So in what sense is

> something true? We could say, there is nothing

but Truth...

>

 

Truth for me, is "what is the case" and the term

"true" refers to a judgement about statements,

propositions, beliefs, etc. Your statement

"objects not being separate from consciousness"

would be "true" if it corresponded to what is the

case. Are you suggesting non-duality in and of

itself makes it impossible to evaluate statements

as being true or false?

> Neither is more likely. They are models for the

seeker, and the seeker

> adopts whichever one that resonates better. The

purpose of any model is

> sublation, to free the seeker from a more

conceptually involved model, a

> model that requires more belief. You know, like

the drishti-shrishti, the

> shrishti-drishti, and the ajata-vada models of

creation in adviata vedanta.

> Then the sublating model itself is eventually

sublated, etc., until the

> belief in the last model falls away.

>

 

ahh... here we are getting *real* close to "pay

dirt" as far as I'm concerned. When the blessed

moment occurs in which "the last model falls away"

there is silence, period, full stop. What is then

the case (independent of ideas about it) simply

cannot be conceptualized or put into words. and

about what we cannot speak must we not remain

silent? Aren't "Brahman", "Suchness", etc. just

synonyms for the inconceivable?