F. Maiello/Advaita/Science

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At 09:35 AM 7/27/99 -0400, you wrote:

>"f. maiello" <egodust

>this is the most common misunderstanding

>among vedantins. moreover it is the view

>of dvaitam--the *opposite* of advaitam...

 

What a strange statement, to claim that dvaitam is the opposite of

advaitam. Do you say that opposites exist? If they do, then Advaitam is

false, for Advaitam does not admit the existence of opposites (as all is

One in Brahman).

>Ramana Maharshi made it clear, "The vedantins

>do not say the world is unreal. That is a

>misunderstanding. If they did, what would

>be the meaning of the sastra: 'All this is

>brahman.'? They only mean the world is unreal

>as world, but it is real as Self."

 

I don't see how this contradicts the idea of world as dream. Shankara

himself said (in viveka-cudamani) that those who have tasted Brahman would

ever after see the world as a kind of dream. I could find the exact quote,

if you like.

 

Words, words, that's all these are... too crude to express these concepts

adequately. Truth is One, sages call it by different names.

 

Hari OM,

 

Tim

 

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Tim Gerchmez wrote:

>

> Shankara himself said (in viveka-cudamani) that those

> who have tasted Brahman would ever after see the world

> as a kind of dream.

>

 

as you can well understand, seeing with

the eyes is not the issue. undoubtedly

the world can be 'seen' as dreamlike,

nebulous, ghostlike, or even disappear

altogether, *as such*. what matters

is really the attending cidabhavana or

feeling-experience in the Heart, in the

face of the world [of brahman's leela].

 

that is, if it's regarded as separate from

its substratum brahman, we have duality.

(you yourself have also pointed this out.)

 

that is, for one who doesn't see the world

as brahman, will wind up being constantly

at war with it, constantly judging it [as

something that needs to be conquered and

transcended] which will, in effect, divert

his efforts from what he really needs to

focus on: changing his attitude about the

world and its attributes being realities

*unto themselves* [and thus apart from

their substratum source, brahman].

 

in the name of the one Self we are,

om tat sat om!