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At 11:04 AM 7/29/99 -0700, you wrote:

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>I think westerners underestimate mukti.

 

And you think Easterners don't also? :-)

>I have seen dozens of ordinary egos be

>told by American gurus "there! you've got it -- you *are* it", whatever.

>Next week the student starts "playing guru" and soliciting donations.

 

What does that have to do with mukti?

>I thought real mukti implied you also automatically had *all* the siddhis

>(powers) and your state wasn't affected in any way by sleep, physical death,

>etc.

 

Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop

wood, carry water. Borrowed that one from Buddhism, but it applies to

Vedanta as well.

>No, I don't think siddhis are valuable in themselves but if you don't

>have them you are not a jivanmukti in the same way a $1000 bill must have the

>little watermarks to be genuine. Is this not true?

 

A few maybe, but if you can't make yourself disappear and reappear on the

planet Zortor, I'd not say that was in indication of avidya!

 

With Love,

 

Tim

 

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