Let's be frank about Brahman...

[Guest guest]

At 11:17 PM 7/30/99 -0400, you wrote:

>"f. maiello" <egodust

>

>i would recommend reading RIBHU GITA and

>ASTAVAKRA SAMHITA for definitive, concise

>explanations; and THE TECHNIQUE OF MAHA YOGA

>by N.R. Narayana Aiyer (available from

>Arunachala Ashrama) for the quickest, most

>effective way of defusing the Mind.

>

 

Read the first two but not the last. It probably wouldn't change my

interpretation of things.... see my post in reply to Warren.

 

Tell me Frank, do you witness the sleep state while it occurs? This is not

a trick question -- either you do or you don't. No silly hedging about

what a person concludes upon waking up, etc. (that's the lamest bunch of

nonsense in the whole Advaita repetoir). Is there anyway someone could

realize they actually were Brahman and *not* witness the sleep state? How

could Brahman *ever* lose consciousness? Isn't it funny I do witness the

sleep state (but insist I am not Brahman) while many advaitins do not

witness the sleep state but claim they are Brahman?

[Guest guest]

a c wrote:

>

> Tell me Frank, do you witness the sleep state while it occurs? This is not

> a trick question -- either you do or you don't. No silly hedging about

> what a person concludes upon waking up, etc. (that's the lamest bunch of

> nonsense in the whole Advaita repetoir). Is there anyway someone could

> realize they actually were Brahman and *not* witness the sleep state? How

> could Brahman *ever* lose consciousness? Isn't it funny I do witness the

> sleep state (but insist I am not Brahman) while many advaitins do not

> witness the sleep state but claim they are Brahman?

>

 

if you're not brahman, who are you? the devil?

hahaha! seriously, who or what is your real nature?

if you do an honest investigation, you may be in

for a megashock! :-)

 

here's a sample:

(note: SAT is interchangeable with brahman,

in this context)

 

 

the key is in the concept of pure Being

unalloyed Being

[the first concept in sat-chit-ananda]

if you get that

pick-up that essence

you'll understand what is meant by

pure consciousness

because pure consciousness is all

that *can* follow

in the wake of contemplating

pure Being

or rather *being* pure Being

 

it's not a matter of doing Being

but simply Being

alloyed with nothing else!

and this is where the idea of

manonasa (dead Mind) enters the picture

because it's the Mind Beast

that is the slayer of [our

awareness of] SAT

 

so once the Mind is released

or rendered ineffective

the former victim

becomes the witness

and realizes for the first time

that he has ever been

nothing more or less than SAT

and that in fact

no-one and nothing is

anything more or less than SAT

simply because

SAT is all there really 'is'

 

________

 

 

as per the sleep state:

 

what i said earlier about stopping the Mind,

also encompasses the idea of not allowing

the Mind to manipulate one's awareness (which

is the superimposition on suddha chit or pure

consciousness).

 

when this is achieved, the Self shines

unimpeded and flows steadily. thus the

phases of Mind (waking, dream, deep sleep)

are no longer disruptive to the flow of

awareness. this constant flow (which is

the 'stateless state' of pure Being) is

also the turiya sthithi or Fourth State.

 

to give you an idea of its power and, in

comparison to the relative plane, its

paradox, i can tell you that this body

is in constant and sometimes excruciating

pain from 8 herniated discs in the spine,

where there have been times that on the

verge of delerium, i've been tempted to

shed this mortal coil...while yet in

varying states of samadhi! the pain is

there in the physical body, while the

Self is sovereign and spherically exalted

in perfect freedom.

 

this scenario causes the relative Mind

and its will to reasonably judge and

categorize, to utterly collapse. where

not only does it lack any explanations,

it can't even fathom *approaching* any

explanations.

 

namaste

[Guest guest]

>Tell me Frank, do you witness the sleep state while it occurs? This is not

>a trick question -- either you do or you don't. No silly hedging about

>what a person concludes upon waking up, etc. (that's the lamest bunch of

>nonsense in the whole Advaita repetoir). Is there anyway someone could

>realize they actually were Brahman and *not* witness the sleep state? How

>could Brahman *ever* lose consciousness? Isn't it funny I do witness the

>sleep state (but insist I am not Brahman) while many advaitins do not

>witness the sleep state but claim they are Brahman?

 

 

Blackouts cannot be substantiated as being anymore than blackINS in which

only the last moment before one "comes to" is remembered.

 

Jonathan Bricklin