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Hello all,

 

I am a fifty year old computer programmer in Chicago, who has some

background in both philosophy and science, and who has been fascinated over

many years with the ideas of Advaita Vedanta. I come to this list as a

refugee from the Advaita-L list, where my questions were considered too

heterodox to be tolerated. My offense was to question the statements by

several members that the Vedas and Upanishads are "unauthored," infallible,

and constitute the sum of all possible wisdom. This was not my chosen topic

at all, but it came up in response to some questions I had asked about the

nature of consciousness, which I will probably eventually ask here also. But

the situation forced me to make clear that I could never accept "Because our

infallible scripture says so" as an answer to why a given line of reasoning

is invalid. Similarly, I can't approach Advaita solely with the attitude of,

"This is the truth, how can I best understand it?" But I can assure everyone

that my inquiries are very sincere, and are never initiated merely to

provoke, or for the sake of mental gymnastics. At my age, it's time to stop

dallying around in the marketplace of ideas, and start to 'get real,' as we

say. So I'm pushing hard to reach the best approximation of truth that I can

manage, and I am hopeful that this list will be an excellent tool for doing

so. It's very difficult to avoid the dual pitfalls of credulousness and dry,

rigid skepticism, so I need all the guidance I can get. I look forward to a

long and fruitful association.

 

Robert.

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namaste.

 

I welcome Robert to the advaitin list. As one who was there on advaita-l

with Robert questioning the *tone* of some of the dogmatic messages

posted, and who has also quit advaita-l not being able to stomach the

harsh messages, I would say welcome to Robert to this advaitin-list,

where certainly the debate is more courteous and with mutual respect.

Also, there are many former advaita-l members here.

 

As I said above, I certainly objected to the tone and harshness of the

messages on advaita-l, while on the topic of unauthoredness of the vedAs,

my views are closer to saying they are the Truth experiences of the sages

of ancient times. They are unauthored in the sense that the sages have no

interest in claimng the authorship. We can discuss the authoredness of

the vedAs at a latter time after some of the main doubts of Robert are

discussed. As Robert says, that, in any case is not the main point of

his interest.

 

Secondly, Robert says that he is fifty and shows a hurriedness to know

the truth (before this human life is completed (?)). Yes, it is indeed

important to know the Truth here and now, but in my view, age 50 is not

a deterrent. One can spend many millions and millions of lives (of human

and other forms) without knowing the truth, or get it in one second,

without any effort. Thus, I wouldn't worry or show urgency about age 50.

 

 

Regards

Gummuluru Murthy

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Robert,

 

Welcome!!! I think the list will benefit by the clarity and energy of your

participation. This is one of the best-managed lists on the net, and Ram

Chandran (our founder and moderator) I believe is also a former member of

ADVAITA-L. There are many others as well.

 

May I ask, what is Parisi & Watson, a company name?

 

Sincerely,

 

Greg

 

At 11:01 AM 8/2/99 , Parisi & Watson wrote:

>"Parisi & Watson" <niche

>

>Hello all,

>

>I am a fifty year old computer programmer in Chicago, who has some

>background in both philosophy and science, and who has been fascinated over

>many years with the ideas of Advaita Vedanta. I come to this list as a

>refugee from the Advaita-L list, where my questions were considered too

>heterodox to be tolerated. My offense was to question the statements by

>several members that the Vedas and Upanishads are "unauthored," infallible,

>and constitute the sum of all possible wisdom. This was not my chosen topic

>at all, but it came up in response to some questions I had asked about the

>nature of consciousness, which I will probably eventually ask here also. But

>the situation forced me to make clear that I could never accept "Because our

>infallible scripture says so" as an answer to why a given line of reasoning

>is invalid. Similarly, I can't approach Advaita solely with the attitude of,

>"This is the truth, how can I best understand it?" But I can assure everyone

>that my inquiries are very sincere, and are never initiated merely to

>provoke, or for the sake of mental gymnastics. At my age, it's time to stop

>dallying around in the marketplace of ideas, and start to 'get real,' as we

>say. So I'm pushing hard to reach the best approximation of truth that I can

>manage, and I am hopeful that this list will be an excellent tool for doing

>so. It's very difficult to avoid the dual pitfalls of credulousness and dry,

>rigid skepticism, so I need all the guidance I can get. I look forward to a

>long and fruitful association.

>

>Robert.

>

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Greg Goode <goode

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Monday, August 02, 1999 10:55 AM

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>May I ask, what is Parisi & Watson, a company name?

 

 

In a loose sense it is. I'm at our home computer since I'm taking a vacation

day today. My wife owns a yarn shop, and we got our Internet connection

mainly for her purposes of ordering and e-mail. Because she kept her maiden

name, Parisi, we set up the account in this way so that she could get some

small deduction from her business income tax for Internet expenses. My name

is Watson. I know it sounds like some sort of unusual law firm, but it's

just a family business.

 

I've been surprised at the number of familiar names I've seen here just in

one day, including not only yours, but also Frank Maiello, whose Egodust web

page I have enjoyed reading a few times over. The list should be an

interesting experience.

 

Robert.

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Gummuluru Murthy [gmurthy]

Monday, August 02, 1999 12:24 PM

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Gummuluru Murthy <gmurthy

 

namaste.

 

I welcome Robert to the advaitin list. As one who was there on advaita-l

with Robert questioning the *tone* of some of the dogmatic messages

posted, and who has also quit advaita-l not being able to stomach the

harsh messages, I would say welcome to Robert to this advaitin-list,

where certainly the debate is more courteous and with mutual respect.

Also, there are many former advaita-l members here.

 

I join Murthyji in welcoming Robert. This list has the warmth of

understanding. Sri Ramji moderates it with a gentle touch and posts are

typically insightful, scholarly, and point to the deeper experiential

understanding of the Self. I feel fortunate to have made the acquaintance of

wise people such as Ramji, Sadaji, Frankji, Nandaji, Murthyji, Greg, Lilia,

Warren, a c, Madhvaji, Jan, Linda, Krishnamurthyji, just to mention a few

people who have posted recently. Thanks to all.

 

Harsha

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Howdy, Robert!

>I come to this list as a

>refugee from the Advaita-L list, where my questions were considered too

>heterodox to be tolerated.

 

Shouldn't be much of a problem here, if you've caught any of the recent

discussions between me, "a c", Frank, and other "heretics".... ;-)

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> "Parisi & Watson" <niche

>

> Hello all,

>

> So I'm pushing hard to reach the best approximation of truth that I can

> manage, and I am hopeful that this list will be an excellent tool for

> doing

> so. It's very difficult to avoid the dual pitfalls of credulousness and

> dry,

> rigid skepticism, so I need all the guidance I can get. I look forward to

> a

> long and fruitful association.

>

> Robert.

[Madhava Replies:]

 

Dear Robert:

 

WELCOME TO THE LIST!

 

Truth is infallible. You are always there. Then why question about

infallibility of anything in this universe. After all we are unaware of

many things including our real self in this universe, why getting bothered

about something which doesn't suite your intellect!

 

Here is what I feel as a humble approach for any good discussion:

 

"Ask sincerely. Ask because you do not know. Ask though if you

know because you may be wrong. Ask till you completely feel that you are

answered.

 

Don't ask if you feel that you know the answer. Don't ask to prove

that you are right, because since you believe that you are right, there is

no question of asking whether you are right are wrong."

 

All the best.

 

Regards,

Madhava

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