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hariH OM!

 

the only way to arrive at the pure NOW

is either by stopping thoughts or

effectively ignoring them.

the latter is moksha.

 

when this happens, we see, hear and feel

with a richness and clarity that has no

parallel in the world of Mind.

simply because Mind, by nature,

functions through limits and comparisons.

whereas the pure NOW (field of brahman)

functions wholistically, where each NOW

(the *eternal* NOW)

is a perfect hologram of brahman--regardless

if it includes the saguna outbreath of maya.

 

being in the pure NOW is where we *are*, in

truth, each and every now. :-) we *are* the

continuum of NOW itself.

 

NOW always was, is, and always will be NOW.

 

What everyone *seems to* struggle with, is an

innocently mis-perceived overlay, caused by an

unfathomable mistake called ego: Creator of

Mind; Commander-in-Chief of all Illusions;

Sustainer of all Misconceptions.

 

namaste

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f. maiello <egodust

advaitin <advaitin >

Sunday, August 15, 1999 7:28 AM

follow-up to last reply to Parisi & Watson:

<snip>

>"f. maiello" <egodust

>What everyone *seems to* struggle with, is an

>innocently mis-perceived overlay, caused by an

>unfathomable mistake called ego: Creator of

>Mind; Commander-in-Chief of all Illusions;

>Sustainer of all Misconceptions.

 

I had a three day email outage, so I hope I didn't miss a reply.

 

Somewhere in his 'Gospel,' Ramakrishna is reported to have said some words

to the effect that it is impossible for a person who hasn't experienced

samadhi even to believe in God. For those who realistically have little

prospect for realization in this life, convincing arguments must remain just

that - convincing but potentially mistaken, a tantalizing hypothesis and

working assumption, but not yet a reality. It is conceivable that I could

eventually persuade myself not to identify with my body, mind, thoughts, and

so on, but that in itself would change very little. I would still see only

through my two eyes and no others, still feel sensations only through my

body and no other, and so forth. As far as I can tell, there would be no

obvious detectable difference of any kind. So clearly arriving at this

intellectual conviction is not enough. And the other, supra-rational

component is difficult to come by. I often wonder how people are able to

endure, possibly for a whole lifetime, a state of essentially suspended

judgment, pending the lightning bolt of intuition that may or may not ever

come. It seems that for me this condition doesn't offer a lasting defense

against corrosive, predatory doubts, mostly of an empirical and neurological

bent. But I don't see much that I can do about it except just continue to

muddle along as best I can, and try to remain open to all possibilities. Or

am I missing something here?

 

Robert.

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Parisi & Watson wrote:

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> [...] .... It is conceivable that I could

> eventually persuade myself not to identify with my body, mind, thoughts, and

> so on, but that in itself would change very little. I would still see only

> through my two eyes and no others, still feel sensations only through my

> body and no other, and so forth. As far as I can tell, there would be no

> obvious detectable difference of any kind.

 

what faculty of perception are you using in

saying "as far as I can tell"?

 

if/when one ceases to identify, the concrete

reasoning mind is disengaged, and something

else takes over. that is the intuitive mode

called buddhi. it apprehends life wide and

unlimited, unfettered by comparative judgments.

the engagement of such itself is indispensable

before anything can be stated in the form of

a counter argument--for the best that may arise

therefrom is conjecture and abstract theory.

 

on the other hand, the difference defies even

a poetic metaphor!

 

namaste

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f. maiello <egodust

advaitin <advaitin >

Monday, August 16, 1999 8:29 PM

Re: follow-up to last reply to Parisi & Watson:

 

>"f. maiello" <egodust

>what faculty of perception are you using in

>saying "as far as I can tell"?

<snip>

 

Only the faculties that are basically as common as dirt. But then that was

the point.

 

Robert.

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Parisi & Watson wrote:

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> >"f. maiello" <egodust

> >what faculty of perception are you using in

> >saying "as far as I can tell"?

> <snip>

>

> Only the faculties that are basically as common as dirt. But then that was

> the point.

>

 

yes. which is why the 'common' means

is defunct in the face of the Absolute.

the common means we're in the habit of

engaging but now attempted to be used

in the arena of the ineffable, is likened

to using a

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this post to replace last incomplete reply...

sorry for the inconvenience.

 

 

Parisi & Watson wrote:

>

> >"f. maiello" <egodust

> >what faculty of perception are you using in

> >saying "as far as I can tell"?

> <snip>

>

> Only the faculties that are basically as common as dirt. But then that

was

> the point.

>

 

yes. which is why the 'common' means

is defunct in the face of the Absolute.

the common means we're in the habit of

engaging but now attempted to be used

in the arena of the ineffable, is likened

to using a yardstick to weigh oneself.

 

namaste

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