Conclusions...

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>"Dave Sirjue" <Dave_Sirjue on 10/20/99 10:43:16 AM

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> Tim Gerchmez <fewtch

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> Concluding remarks on Non-Duality

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>Dear Tim,

>

>I'm glad you decided to take a breather from the forum

>since the discussion was getting nowhere or as you put it

>plainly -nonsensical.

 

I'm coming to firmly believe that all discussions are nonsensical, no

matter what the topic.

>Everyone appears to know, interested in

>pushing their viewpoints and very few were really listening to

>the other or the real issues.

>I appreciated and respected your stance

 

Nobody likes to hear, everyone likes to talk. I do not exclude "myself"

from that group. This mind loves to hear itself talk. Such is the nature

of the mind. The mind has an ignorant nature. It has no ears, only a mouth.

>Like you, I have been realizing more and more, how little the

>mind knows about anything.

 

If there is anything that has knowledge, it is the heart. This intangible

thing we call "heart" knows Love, the attractive force that very simply

forms the One, Brahman.

>We like to fool ourselves and pretend that we know by holding on,

>defending and hiding behind all sorts of layers of beliefs,

>imaginations, ideas and assumptions, secondhand information that

>we adopted or borrowed from others, but which which really is a

>deception, drug, smoke-screen or simply a PACK OF LIES ! that lulls us

>to sleep, forgetful of our basic insincerity

 

Here's a quote I rather like from a science fiction book. Consider it deeply:

 

"The survival value of human intelligence has never been satisfactorily

demonstrated."

>the fundamental lie of the

>I thought ..I am this or that.

 

Yes, "I am this, I am that..." - that is the fundamental ignorance.

>(whether it is body, mind or soul.)

>When shocks and crisis in our life, penetrates our defensive armour,

>hopefully we start getting truthful about ourselves and our mind,and there

>is a candid confession that - I (as mind) DON'T KNOW WHAT A

>SINGLE THING IS or COMPLETE IGNORANCE !!, then true

>wisdom begins; the mind dissolves or becomes humble,

>childlike, silent, open and receptive to the revelation of Truth or

>true Knowing from the Intuitive Heart - by Identity; beyond our usual

>mind processes of logical reasoning, deduction, induction or inference.

 

This body's eyes went immediately to that one word, "childlike." Becoming

like a three year old child is the beginning of real knowledge. Regressing

to a 3-month foetus is greater knowledge. Greater indeed is that knowledge

which existed prior to conception.

>This understanding is the true means to eradicate the ego or "I" and

>cut the root identification with mind or thoughts, once an forever.

 

The "I" or ego is like a serpent, wily and cunning, and sometimes it

attempts to return. Often it succeeds.

>So now, there is no turning back, one takes the risk, with no guarantees,

>assurances or certainty and jumps into the Unknown, beyond mind,

>beyond the known.

 

Once this is done, of course, there is no "one" anymore to know that it is

the unknown. Reality itself is undone, and what remains is zero.

>Really, what has the known, the surface life, given me but pain, sorrow,

>disappointment. (admittedly with comfort and pleasure but at a minimal,

>just enough to keep on the desiring and hoping game.)

 

Happiness and misery grow on the same tree, and all the fruit looks the

same. Pick one, and you take your chances :-)

 

<snip>

 

Your message was wise and beautiful. Thank you.

 

With Love,

 

Tim

 

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